The BEST Engine in the World!!!
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My Ride: In a place where the Mercedes density is the highest in the world (no. of MB per square kilometer) I choose a Bimmer, why? because of one thing "The Ultimate Driving Experience"
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523i Steptronic, Silver Grey Exterior, Black Interior with Black Dakota Leather and Maple Wood Trim. Chrome Grill, Style 123 rim, Airbags everywhere, PDC, Rain sensor, Auto lights, Moveable front armrest, Advance Climate Control, Glass Sunroof, Auto dimming interior and exterior mirror with foldable functions, Extended Lights package, 6 CD changer in glove box, Power seats with memory, Power adjustable steering wheel, Power rear sunblinds.
Add ons: 123 wheels, chrome grill, K&N Hi flow filter, Eibach Pro Kit, e60.net decal and 24,000km
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='280880' date='May 11 2006, 05:59 PM
BMW?s list of honours at the International Engine of the Year Awards:
International Engine of the Year Award 2006
1 BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
2 Volkswagen 1.4-litre
3 BMW Diesel 3-litre twin turbo
Best Performance Engine Award 2006
1 BMW 5.0-litre V10
2 Ferrari 4.3-litre V8
3 Mercedes-AMG 6.0-litre twin-turbo
Best Engine Above 4-litres Award 2006
1 BMW 5.0-litre V10
2 Ferrari 4.3-litre V8
3 Mercedes AMG 6.0-litre twin-turbo
Best Engine 3.0-litre to 4.0-litre Award 2006
1 BMW 3.2-litre six-cylinder
2 Toyota 3.5-litre V6 hybrid
3 Porsche 3.8-litre six-cylinder
Best Engine 2.5-litre to 3-litre Award 2006
1 BMW 3.0-litre twin-turbo six-cylinder diesel
2 BMW 3.0-litre six-cylinder
3 Honda 3.0-litre V6 hybrid
International Engine of the Year Award 2006
1 BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
2 Volkswagen 1.4-litre
3 BMW Diesel 3-litre twin turbo
Best Performance Engine Award 2006
1 BMW 5.0-litre V10
2 Ferrari 4.3-litre V8
3 Mercedes-AMG 6.0-litre twin-turbo
Best Engine Above 4-litres Award 2006
1 BMW 5.0-litre V10
2 Ferrari 4.3-litre V8
3 Mercedes AMG 6.0-litre twin-turbo
Best Engine 3.0-litre to 4.0-litre Award 2006
1 BMW 3.2-litre six-cylinder
2 Toyota 3.5-litre V6 hybrid
3 Porsche 3.8-litre six-cylinder
Best Engine 2.5-litre to 3-litre Award 2006
1 BMW 3.0-litre twin-turbo six-cylinder diesel
2 BMW 3.0-litre six-cylinder
3 Honda 3.0-litre V6 hybrid
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Originally Posted by AC_S5' post='281347' date='May 12 2006, 04:35 AM
The MB 6.0L twin turbo is the one in the S600 correct. Is not an AMG engine right?
its the engine behind the ...65 AMG. and with 612bhp/1000nm it is a stunner
as for the m3 engine, yes it is a masterpiece
ive driven one for long enough to realize this...imo best current engines are:
6.3NA AMG engine
4.3NA Ferrari Engine
6.0NA Ferrari Engine
3.8NA (was it) Porsche GT3 engine (how could it come third in a sub-class you brainless journalists???)
5.0NA Gallardo
i think that if you have to choose a bmw engine it would have to be the 3246cm3 m3 lump
and also they seem to have not included two amazing diesel engines.
MB
3.2 diesel tri-turbo (with 300bhp and 680nm
)4.0 diesel bi-turbo
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International Engine of the Year Awards 2006: Winners
Best New Engine 2006
Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger (Golf)
Best Fuel Economy
Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive (Prius)
Best Performance Engine
BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
Sub 1-litre
Honda 1-litre IMA (Insight)
1-litre to 1.4-litre
Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger (Golf)
1.4-litre to 1.8-litre
Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive (Prius)
1.8-litre to 2-litre
Volkswagen 2-litre Turbo (Golf, Audi A3, A6, SEAT Leon, Skoda Octavia)
2-litre to 2.5-litre
Subaru 2.5-litre Turbo (Impreza, Forester, Saab 9-2X)
2.5-litre to 3-litre
BMW 3-litre Twin-Turbo Diesel (535d)
3-litre to 4-litre
BMW 3.2-litre (M3, Z4 M)
Above 4-litre
BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
And?
International Engine of the Year 2006
BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
Best New Engine 2006
Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger (Golf)
Best Fuel Economy
Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive (Prius)
Best Performance Engine
BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
Sub 1-litre
Honda 1-litre IMA (Insight)
1-litre to 1.4-litre
Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger (Golf)
1.4-litre to 1.8-litre
Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive (Prius)
1.8-litre to 2-litre
Volkswagen 2-litre Turbo (Golf, Audi A3, A6, SEAT Leon, Skoda Octavia)
2-litre to 2.5-litre
Subaru 2.5-litre Turbo (Impreza, Forester, Saab 9-2X)
2.5-litre to 3-litre
BMW 3-litre Twin-Turbo Diesel (535d)
3-litre to 4-litre
BMW 3.2-litre (M3, Z4 M)
Above 4-litre
BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
And?
International Engine of the Year 2006
BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='281360' date='May 11 2006, 11:29 PM
http://www.supercars.net/cars/2961.html
its the engine behind the ...65 AMG. and with 612bhp/1000nm it is a stunner
as for the m3 engine, yes it is a masterpiece ive driven one for long enough to realize this...
imo best current engines are:
6.3NA AMG engine
4.3NA Ferrari Engine
6.0NA Ferrari Engine
3.8NA (was it) Porsche GT3 engine (how could it come third in a sub-class you brainless journalists???)
5.0NA Gallardo
i think that if you have to choose a bmw engine it would have to be the 3246cm3 m3 lump
and also they seem to have not included two amazing diesel engines.
MB
3.2 diesel tri-turbo (with 300bhp and 680nm )
4.0 diesel bi-turbo
its the engine behind the ...65 AMG. and with 612bhp/1000nm it is a stunner
as for the m3 engine, yes it is a masterpiece
ive driven one for long enough to realize this...imo best current engines are:
6.3NA AMG engine
4.3NA Ferrari Engine
6.0NA Ferrari Engine
3.8NA (was it) Porsche GT3 engine (how could it come third in a sub-class you brainless journalists???)
5.0NA Gallardo
i think that if you have to choose a bmw engine it would have to be the 3246cm3 m3 lump
and also they seem to have not included two amazing diesel engines.
MB
3.2 diesel tri-turbo (with 300bhp and 680nm
)4.0 diesel bi-turbo
Do agree on the Porsche engine though, i'm shocked not one of their's was listed, however the rest is bang on the money.
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='281392' date='May 12 2006, 07:25 AM
It's a good job they didn't ask you then. I'm happy with the decision of the professionals as they truly know what they're talking about & no MB engines in site.
Do agree on the Porsche engine though, i'm shocked not one of their's was listed, however the rest is bang on the money.
Do agree on the Porsche engine though, i'm shocked not one of their's was listed, however the rest is bang on the money.
so by blidnly believeing everything you are told, would you agree on the following... the 535d and m3 lap the Top gear course in the same time (exact), yet the m3 is 2.5s quicker than the m5 at bedford autodrome (as measured by EVO).. so that makes the 535d a quicker car ?? no
i suggest you read the motoring press, everyone is going crazy about the 6.3na AMG
next years awards is when the fun starts
International Engine of the Year Awards 2006 held at Engine Expo in Stuttgart, Germany
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='281396' date='May 12 2006, 01:30 AM
they dont know as much as you think. There are a lot of commercially available engines that show stonger characteristics, including a better power delivery and better mileage..
so by blidnly believeing everything you are told, would you agree on the following... the 535d and m3 lap the Top gear course in the same time (exact), yet the m3 is 2.5s quicker than the m5 at bedford autodrome (as measured by EVO).. so that makes the 535d a quicker car ?? no
i suggest you read the motoring press, everyone is going crazy about the 6.3na AMG next years awards is when the fun starts
germans, and dont even like their own engines
so by blidnly believeing everything you are told, would you agree on the following... the 535d and m3 lap the Top gear course in the same time (exact), yet the m3 is 2.5s quicker than the m5 at bedford autodrome (as measured by EVO).. so that makes the 535d a quicker car ?? no
i suggest you read the motoring press, everyone is going crazy about the 6.3na AMG
next years awards is when the fun startsgermans, and dont even like their own engines
As for Top Gear, i love the programme but do not take too much notice as to the lap times as i know to a degree they can & have been fixed (a little). The M5 lapped the Ring quicker than the M3 & both were driven by the same driver in the same conditions. Certain tracks will suit certain cars better. I could get my Modified RS6 round the Ring quicker than i could in an M3 & believe me i pushed the M3 harder as it was not my car.
The point is this is an award & if you don't agree then tough as the decisions have been made. It's like saying the best actor Oscar winner is not the best actor & the actor you like is better. Awards are awards & the M5 V10 won & the 535d engine won it's class.
Final point if you're opinion is correct would cast shadows if MB won next year as you're stating the judeges don't know Jack, so if MB win it will be a shallow victory according to your logic
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My Ride: In a place where the Mercedes density is the highest in the world (no. of MB per square kilometer) I choose a Bimmer, why? because of one thing "The Ultimate Driving Experience"
My Ride:
523i Steptronic, Silver Grey Exterior, Black Interior with Black Dakota Leather and Maple Wood Trim. Chrome Grill, Style 123 rim, Airbags everywhere, PDC, Rain sensor, Auto lights, Moveable front armrest, Advance Climate Control, Glass Sunroof, Auto dimming interior and exterior mirror with foldable functions, Extended Lights package, 6 CD changer in glove box, Power seats with memory, Power adjustable steering wheel, Power rear sunblinds.
Add ons: 123 wheels, chrome grill, K&N Hi flow filter, Eibach Pro Kit, e60.net decal and 24,000km
Past rides:
2001 Nissan Xterra SE
1999 E39 523i
1999 E46 323i
1996 Acura Integra LS
The awards are from different journalist's opinion and I don't think all of them like BMW that much.
Just accept the fact that BMW won and move on.
Just accept the fact that BMW won and move on.
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My Ride: In a place where the Mercedes density is the highest in the world (no. of MB per square kilometer) I choose a Bimmer, why? because of one thing "The Ultimate Driving Experience"
My Ride:
523i Steptronic, Silver Grey Exterior, Black Interior with Black Dakota Leather and Maple Wood Trim. Chrome Grill, Style 123 rim, Airbags everywhere, PDC, Rain sensor, Auto lights, Moveable front armrest, Advance Climate Control, Glass Sunroof, Auto dimming interior and exterior mirror with foldable functions, Extended Lights package, 6 CD changer in glove box, Power seats with memory, Power adjustable steering wheel, Power rear sunblinds.
Add ons: 123 wheels, chrome grill, K&N Hi flow filter, Eibach Pro Kit, e60.net decal and 24,000km
Past rides:
2001 Nissan Xterra SE
1999 E39 523i
1999 E46 323i
1996 Acura Integra LS
Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='281420' date='May 12 2006, 04:07 PM
Now you're being silly. An M3 quicker than an M5 (that's funny). Was the M5 driven by a monkey? Anyhow, i don't believe everything i read & most tests will give the desired result to the testers personal favourite, as it's them that write the article (i'm also sure money changes hands).
As for Top Gear, i love the programme but do not take too much notice as to the lap times as i know to a degree they can & have been fixed (a little). The M5 lapped the Ring quicker than the M3 & both were driven by the same driver in the same conditions. Certain tracks will suit certain cars better. I could get my Modified RS6 round the Ring quicker than i could in an M3 & believe me i pushed the M3 harder as it was not my car.
The point is this is an award & if you don't agree then tough as the decisions have been made. It's like saying the best actor Oscar winner is not the best actor & the actor you like is better. Awards are awards & the M5 V10 won & the 535d engine won it's class.
Final point if you're opinion is correct would cast shadows if MB won next year as you're stating the judeges don't know Jack, so if MB win it will be a shallow victory according to your logic
As for Top Gear, i love the programme but do not take too much notice as to the lap times as i know to a degree they can & have been fixed (a little). The M5 lapped the Ring quicker than the M3 & both were driven by the same driver in the same conditions. Certain tracks will suit certain cars better. I could get my Modified RS6 round the Ring quicker than i could in an M3 & believe me i pushed the M3 harder as it was not my car.
The point is this is an award & if you don't agree then tough as the decisions have been made. It's like saying the best actor Oscar winner is not the best actor & the actor you like is better. Awards are awards & the M5 V10 won & the 535d engine won it's class.
Final point if you're opinion is correct would cast shadows if MB won next year as you're stating the judeges don't know Jack, so if MB win it will be a shallow victory according to your logic
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='281420' date='May 12 2006, 11:07 AM
Now you're being silly. An M3 quicker than an M5 (that's funny). Was the M5 driven by a monkey? Anyhow, i don't believe everything i read & most tests will give the desired result to the testers personal favourite, as it's them that write the article (i'm also sure money changes hands).
As for Top Gear, i love the programme but do not take too much notice as to the lap times as i know to a degree they can & have been fixed (a little). The M5 lapped the Ring quicker than the M3 & both were driven by the same driver in the same conditions. Certain tracks will suit certain cars better. I could get my Modified RS6 round the Ring quicker than i could in an M3 & believe me i pushed the M3 harder as it was not my car.
The point is this is an award & if you don't agree then tough as the decisions have been made. It's like saying the best actor Oscar winner is not the best actor & the actor you like is better. Awards are awards & the M5 V10 won & the 535d engine won it's class.
Final point if you're opinion is correct would cast shadows if MB won next year as you're stating the judeges don't know Jack, so if MB win it will be a shallow victory according to your logic
As for Top Gear, i love the programme but do not take too much notice as to the lap times as i know to a degree they can & have been fixed (a little). The M5 lapped the Ring quicker than the M3 & both were driven by the same driver in the same conditions. Certain tracks will suit certain cars better. I could get my Modified RS6 round the Ring quicker than i could in an M3 & believe me i pushed the M3 harder as it was not my car.
The point is this is an award & if you don't agree then tough as the decisions have been made. It's like saying the best actor Oscar winner is not the best actor & the actor you like is better. Awards are awards & the M5 V10 won & the 535d engine won it's class.
Final point if you're opinion is correct would cast shadows if MB won next year as you're stating the judeges don't know Jack, so if MB win it will be a shallow victory according to your logic
Is this a cheesy way to cover up mb results on those awards?
I agree with the fact that awards are awards and they have been given with a scope. Although i am too amaized they didn't take into consideration the 3.6 liter 997 GT3 engine. I knew it was a 3.6 not a 3.8. Anyway the 3.2 straight six from bmw is still sa flagship imo.
And in conclusion i agree 100% with the last statement....
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i was talking about the GT3 engine.. the 6.3 na is not in this years competition