Gene

again, you are assuming BMW would even consider the add'd "minimal cost" of a strut brace over the already provided ARS and suspension. Would a strut brace be a real deal breaker in opting for the sport pkg/suspension to the avg consumer/prospective e60 owner? I highly doubt it, so why not cut a few corners and not include it to save some $. To the general population/street driver, a strut brace could or would not be noticed. So before you go about crapping on another's mod and hiding behind assumptions that BMW would have provided such parts if needed, refrain from attacking other members as well as do more research and provide or at least stimulate some discussion regarding it's engineering and physics as it pertains to performance/handling. Again, how you justify your mods can and will be different than others. But for a change, could you discuss something without directly attacking or offending someone.

the condescending, "I'm smarter than you are" tone you continue to exhibit is getting old and tiresome. It would be nice to see you actually appreciate and take advantage of the extended "pass" the admins and mods have given you this time around in not banning you again Diamond. Feel free to pm me for further discussion if need be, but entertaining this continued behavior publicly does no one on this forum any good.


***I am neither for not against this aftermarket product, but hoping to learn more about it.

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this is my first and only warning.....

mmitev

First I will ignore Diamond, as it makes no sense to reply to him.

On topic:

1. Specifically to what Gene said about "lap times" as a proof that a strut bar does work. Let me say something clearly: to me the strut bar advantage does not lie in lap time improvement. I had A-pillar creaking, dashboard creaking over bumps and a soft feel about the front end of the car over bad pavement, which got 75% cured by the strut bar. This is what I value about it, not lap times. My car just feels better, if you want it feels more solid, upmarket, high-quality and reassuring specifically by not creaking and with reduced front-end shuddering. And this is absolutely objective: the creaking sound is just NOT there, and I am sure vibrations can be measured with some sort of equipment on the same piece of pavement. Actual speed in a curve or lap times are something different, I don't know whether the strut bar improves them (may well do as others suggest), and I don't care.

2. A lot of people bring the argument "why did BMW not put one by factory". First it did put one in the E60 and its still in the F01, F07 and F10. So it must make sense. Second, like with many mods, some people just require more - more power, more brake force, more speed, more/better sound, better suspension. Or more chassis rigidity and therefore an additional strut brace. It is as simple as that!

3. I hear no one from the strut bar opponents mention ever mention the tiring of the chassis with time and mileage. Do you expect a 5-year old car with 100,000 miles to have the same rigidity as a new one? It has probably declined massively. At that point, no one cares what BMW installed or did not install in the factory, as the car is not factory-fresh. The chassis has taken a lot of strain during usage and precisely because of that it needs a reinforcement in the form of strut bar, UR bars, M5-pull rods or whatever.

dbae1978

Boys it's easy to be a theoretical bookworm behind a CPU. It's another to have real world experience. You must be pretty thick headed to think that a strut bar does absolutely nothing for performance. There's a reason why every f1 car, rally car, shit even NASCAR utilizes these products. How about we put your money where your mouth is? If you are all that you claim to be, let's take it to the track. Put up or shut up, it's as simple as that! Diamond if I recall correctly didn't you get banned several times? If you enjoy being on this forum I strongly suggest you take a more mature approach to these subjects rather than resulting to expletives.

houbmw

Hey Diamond, I have been on this board for a while and have seen the "floor mat delete" to the imfamous RedWhiteBlue...anyways, you seem to be providing some good answers and discussion, but you seem to just attack the other side of a debate. You have been banned here before many times. Chill out man, its just a forum on a damn computer. Just enjoy the debates without personal attacks. I am no MOD but you seem to be pushing your luck with members around here that do provide valuable information such as what you have been doing lately. I have closely been following your Giniti tune for the n52 engine. I hope you make some changes before you get BANNED, AGAIN! THANKS FOR PLAYING...

houbmw

This is what i plan to get...any advice or opinions or alternatives would be nice recommondations:

1) Upper Front strut bar

2) Front Lower bar

3) Rear lower bar

4) I can't find the rear upper bar...?

I plan on getting these 3 and installing the KSPORT coilovers. Again, any alternatives or suggestions are welcome.

houbmw

also, what is the differnce between this rear lower bar and the one I posted in my previous post? CLICK HERE

houbmw

Sorry, but I also noticed that there might be a lower middle bar and how would I know if I have active roll stabilization? I have 2007 530i with sports package.

tonymac

I want to fight Gene! J/K

They work. Wether it is just feeling or true performance. All you have to do is get one and put it on. If you like it keep it. If not, use it as a cane. Who cares.

Next slide please.

houbmw

here is some more info for everybody: Click here

https://5series.net/forums/topic/972...1#entry1154667

jasperxli

houbmw, alot of members have 2 or 3 of these bars already there was a group buy about a year back and it was a hell of a deal! i was looking until a rear tower strut but have been unsuccessful :thumbsdown: