Sad news... The downfall of the mighty V8s
#31
Members
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 120
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: 2004 545i, Nav, Logic 7, sport pkg, premium pkg, sport seats, Hoen fogs, rear LED tail lights, super white license bulbs, heated front and rear seats, M-tech front and rear bumper covers, M5 trunks spoiler and finisher.
Desiring euro xenon headlights.
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
When the 395+ hp BMW 555i debuts, it will be know as the "Return of the Living Dead".
#32
Senior Members
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 1,845
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
My Ride: 2008 535i:
(8/07 Build) Metallic Bronze, Beige NASCA Leather, Ventilated Seats, Sport Pkg, Cold Wxr Pkg, Logic-7 Sound, HUD, Night Vision, PDC, Split Rear Seats, NAV, Premium Pkg, Comfort Access, HD Radio, Sport Auto Trans
Current mods: M-Aero Kit, JB4, Motorcepts 6000k HID Foglamps
Umnitza ICE-Lite 10w LED 6000k AE's
1992 Camaro RS:
Fully Restored w/Custom Interior, 5.0L V8, T-tops, OEM Z28 Foglamps, Inst Cluster, & Spoiler, Custom Sound, Too many engine mods to list
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC' post='489579' date='Nov 3 2007, 05:27 PM
I always thought the opposite, that these high-revving I-6 motors being stretched to their limits were a ticking time-bomb. Just like the E46 M3 powerplant, that thing was screaming and BMW had a lot of engine failures in the beginning. Not to mention turbos are the future, the most efficient way to create tons of HP.
#33
Senior Members
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 1,517
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: 2008 BMW 550i
2006 BMW X3
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by pukka' post='489713' date='Nov 4 2007, 05:33 AM
The engines were failing because the red-line was set too high. The folks in marketing didn't listen to the folks in engineering. Once they released a software update that lowered the red-line, the problem went away.
The original M Coupe may have had a slightly lower redline and a bit less HP in its tune but never the M3.
#34
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by Richard in NC' post='489729' date='Nov 4 2007, 09:41 AM
That sure isn't what I heard. Early E46 M3s had a bad batch of bearings that caused the failures. The redline on the last ones produced is still the same.
The original M Coupe may have had a slightly lower redline and a bit less HP in its tune but never the M3.
The original M Coupe may have had a slightly lower redline and a bit less HP in its tune but never the M3.
#35
Senior Members
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Huntington Beach, CA & Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 2,850
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by pukka' post='489713' date='Nov 4 2007, 03:33 AM
The engines were failing because the red-line was set too high. The folks in marketing didn't listen to the folks in engineering. Once they released a software update that lowered the red-line, the problem went away.
1) Failure due to contamination of the engine lubricating system while assembly.
2) Unfavorable tolerances in the engine oil pump.
3) Connecting rods susceptible to overheating and subsequent failure.
4) SMG E46 M3, were experiencing a "mis-shift over rev".
#36
Senior Members
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 333
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I just have one word to say SoWhat !!!
All this rhetoric about V8's vs turbos is all internet ego's and machismo at its best. If you have a V8 E 60, you are driving one of the best sedans in the world. Why worry about tenths of a second or car lengths? At the end of the day, does it really matter?
I have owned many very fast cars in the past and every one that I have owned have gotten me to work, to the store and anywhere else I need to go very nicely. In the real world, tenths and car lengths are best suited for keyboards and kept off the public streets.
Sorry for the rant and this is not a personal attack on your post, but all of these "my Johnson is bigger than your Johnson" stories is taking up precious bandwidth.
All this rhetoric about V8's vs turbos is all internet ego's and machismo at its best. If you have a V8 E 60, you are driving one of the best sedans in the world. Why worry about tenths of a second or car lengths? At the end of the day, does it really matter?
I have owned many very fast cars in the past and every one that I have owned have gotten me to work, to the store and anywhere else I need to go very nicely. In the real world, tenths and car lengths are best suited for keyboards and kept off the public streets.
Sorry for the rant and this is not a personal attack on your post, but all of these "my Johnson is bigger than your Johnson" stories is taking up precious bandwidth.
#37
Senior Members
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 1,845
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
My Ride: 2008 535i:
(8/07 Build) Metallic Bronze, Beige NASCA Leather, Ventilated Seats, Sport Pkg, Cold Wxr Pkg, Logic-7 Sound, HUD, Night Vision, PDC, Split Rear Seats, NAV, Premium Pkg, Comfort Access, HD Radio, Sport Auto Trans
Current mods: M-Aero Kit, JB4, Motorcepts 6000k HID Foglamps
Umnitza ICE-Lite 10w LED 6000k AE's
1992 Camaro RS:
Fully Restored w/Custom Interior, 5.0L V8, T-tops, OEM Z28 Foglamps, Inst Cluster, & Spoiler, Custom Sound, Too many engine mods to list
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC' post='489978' date='Nov 4 2007, 08:11 PM
Well your kind-of right and that wasn't the only problem.
1) Failure due to contamination of the engine lubricating system while assembly.
2) Unfavorable tolerances in the engine oil pump.
3) Connecting rods susceptible to overheating and subsequent failure.
4) SMG E46 M3, were experiencing a "mis-shift over rev".
1) Failure due to contamination of the engine lubricating system while assembly.
2) Unfavorable tolerances in the engine oil pump.
3) Connecting rods susceptible to overheating and subsequent failure.
4) SMG E46 M3, were experiencing a "mis-shift over rev".
The article also stated the problem first occurred in non-SMG cars, which BMW dismissed as being the driver's fault. It wasn't until the SMG versions started blowing engines (since they are designed to never miss a shift) that BMW admitted to a bona-fide problem.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Lotus99
Private Member Classifieds
1
11-26-2015 11:07 AM
jinsta
Other BMW Models
2
07-22-2015 08:29 AM