HELLP BMW E60 MIRO 935 WHEELS !!!!!!!!
05-06-2010, 06:34 AM
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Find some other hub rings or
You will need these HUB Centric ADAPTERS
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05-06-2010, 09:20 AM
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I quote myself from the other thread:
It might be that the tires aren't completely round. That wouldn't be a rare incident.
Usually it helps when you rotate every tire 180° on every wheel and then rebalance the wheels. It may be that the "high spot" of the tire has settled on the "high spot" of the wheel, and that kind of unroundess can't be balanced away. Rotating the tire on wheel will settle the "high spot" of the tire on a different place on the wheel. As long as you don't know which wheel is the problematic one (assuming the problem is this), you have to rotate every tire.
Helped me once
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Taken from www.carbibles.com:
"As well as not being able to manufacture perfectly weighted tyres, it's also nearly impossible to make a tyre which is perfectly circular. By perfectly circular, I mean down to some nauseating number of decimal places. Again, you'd be hard pushed to actually be able to tell that a tyre wasn't round without specialist equipment. Every tyre has a high and a low spot, the difference of which is called radial runout. Using sophisticated computer analysis, tyre manufacturers spin each tyre and look for the 'wobble' in the tyre at certain RPMs. It's all about harmonic frequency (you know - the frequency at which something vibrates, like the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse). Where the first harmonic curve from the tyre wobble hits its high point, that's where the tyre's high spot is. Manufacturers typically mark this point with a red dot on the tyre sidewall, although again, some tyres have no marks, and others use different colours. This is called the uniformity mark. Correspondingly, most wheel rims are also not 100% circular, and will have a notch or a dimple stamped into the wheel rim somewhere indicating their low point. It makes sense then, that the high point of the tyre should be matched with the low point of the wheel rim to balance out the radial runout."
--> So, if the high and low spots are marked on a tire AND the wheel, then a sketchy rotating (that 180° I mentioned) is unnecessary, and the tire can be fixed exactly on right location on the wheel.
I'm not saying this IS the problem, but I think you should try this.
- Antti -
It might be that the tires aren't completely round. That wouldn't be a rare incident.
Usually it helps when you rotate every tire 180° on every wheel and then rebalance the wheels. It may be that the "high spot" of the tire has settled on the "high spot" of the wheel, and that kind of unroundess can't be balanced away. Rotating the tire on wheel will settle the "high spot" of the tire on a different place on the wheel. As long as you don't know which wheel is the problematic one (assuming the problem is this), you have to rotate every tire.
Helped me once
.Taken from www.carbibles.com:
"As well as not being able to manufacture perfectly weighted tyres, it's also nearly impossible to make a tyre which is perfectly circular. By perfectly circular, I mean down to some nauseating number of decimal places. Again, you'd be hard pushed to actually be able to tell that a tyre wasn't round without specialist equipment. Every tyre has a high and a low spot, the difference of which is called radial runout. Using sophisticated computer analysis, tyre manufacturers spin each tyre and look for the 'wobble' in the tyre at certain RPMs. It's all about harmonic frequency (you know - the frequency at which something vibrates, like the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse). Where the first harmonic curve from the tyre wobble hits its high point, that's where the tyre's high spot is. Manufacturers typically mark this point with a red dot on the tyre sidewall, although again, some tyres have no marks, and others use different colours. This is called the uniformity mark. Correspondingly, most wheel rims are also not 100% circular, and will have a notch or a dimple stamped into the wheel rim somewhere indicating their low point. It makes sense then, that the high point of the tyre should be matched with the low point of the wheel rim to balance out the radial runout."
--> So, if the high and low spots are marked on a tire AND the wheel, then a sketchy rotating (that 180° I mentioned) is unnecessary, and the tire can be fixed exactly on right location on the wheel.
I'm not saying this IS the problem, but I think you should try this.
- Antti -
05-06-2010, 09:29 AM
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SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH!!!!!!
IM GONE SWITCH THE FRONT WHEELS BECAUSE THE TIRES I CAN NOT SWITCH THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE ROTATION POSITION ,I ORDER THIS HUB CENTRAL RINGS AND IM GOME MAKE THE BALANCE WITH HUNTER MACHINE AND IF ITS THE SAME ,I TRY TO CHANGE EVRETHING: TIRES,FRONT LOWER ARMS WITH BUSHINGS THE FRONT STRUTS AND MAKE THE DEALERSHIP ALINGEMENT AND IF ITS THE SAME,I DONT KNOW
ANIWAY THNKS ALL OF YOUU FOR YOURS OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS ARE THE BUR CENTRIC RINGS ORDERED NOW
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IM GONE SWITCH THE FRONT WHEELS BECAUSE THE TIRES I CAN NOT SWITCH THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE ROTATION POSITION ,I ORDER THIS HUB CENTRAL RINGS AND IM GOME MAKE THE BALANCE WITH HUNTER MACHINE AND IF ITS THE SAME ,I TRY TO CHANGE EVRETHING: TIRES,FRONT LOWER ARMS WITH BUSHINGS THE FRONT STRUTS AND MAKE THE DEALERSHIP ALINGEMENT AND IF ITS THE SAME,I DONT KNOW
ANIWAY THNKS ALL OF YOUU FOR YOURS OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS ARE THE BUR CENTRIC RINGS ORDERED NOW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-W...ht_6163wt_1165
05-06-2010, 09:39 AM
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Please don't SHOUT WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON! 
By rotating the tire on wheel I mean that you turn the tire left or right like a steering wheel. I don't mean taking it off and install again so that it would roll backwards.
- Antti .
By rotating the tire on wheel I mean that you turn the tire left or right like a steering wheel. I don't mean taking it off and install again so that it would roll backwards.
- Antti .
05-06-2010, 10:54 AM
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Lay off the caps... my eyes hurt....Caps indicate shouting!
As said before... Hub centric ring , not wheel spacers
Have tires checked for flat spot or out of round ( if the car sat for a while this could have happened)
Check for out of round Wheels.
As said before... Hub centric ring , not wheel spacers
Have tires checked for flat spot or out of round ( if the car sat for a while this could have happened)
Check for out of round Wheels.
05-06-2010, 11:14 AM
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I quote myself from the other thread:
It might be that the tires aren't completely round. That wouldn't be a rare incident.
Usually it helps when you rotate every tire 180° on every wheel and then rebalance the wheels. It may be that the "high spot" of the tire has settled on the "high spot" of the wheel, and that kind of unroundess can't be balanced away. Rotating the tire on wheel will settle the "high spot" of the tire on a different place on the wheel. As long as you don't know which wheel is the problematic one (assuming the problem is this), you have to rotate every tire.
Helped me once.
Taken from www.carbibles.com:
"As well as not being able to manufacture perfectly weighted tyres, it's also nearly impossible to make a tyre which is perfectly circular. By perfectly circular, I mean down to some nauseating number of decimal places. Again, you'd be hard pushed to actually be able to tell that a tyre wasn't round without specialist equipment. Every tyre has a high and a low spot, the difference of which is called radial runout. Using sophisticated computer analysis, tyre manufacturers spin each tyre and look for the 'wobble' in the tyre at certain RPMs. It's all about harmonic frequency (you know - the frequency at which something vibrates, like the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse). Where the first harmonic curve from the tyre wobble hits its high point, that's where the tyre's high spot is. Manufacturers typically mark this point with a red dot on the tyre sidewall, although again, some tyres have no marks, and others use different colours. This is called the uniformity mark. Correspondingly, most wheel rims are also not 100% circular, and will have a notch or a dimple stamped into the wheel rim somewhere indicating their low point. It makes sense then, that the high point of the tyre should be matched with the low point of the wheel rim to balance out the radial runout."
--> So, if the high and low spots are marked on a tire AND the wheel, then a sketchy rotating (that 180° I mentioned) is unnecessary, and the tire can be fixed exactly on right location on the wheel.
I'm not saying this IS the problem, but I think you should try this.
- Antti -
It might be that the tires aren't completely round. That wouldn't be a rare incident.
Usually it helps when you rotate every tire 180° on every wheel and then rebalance the wheels. It may be that the "high spot" of the tire has settled on the "high spot" of the wheel, and that kind of unroundess can't be balanced away. Rotating the tire on wheel will settle the "high spot" of the tire on a different place on the wheel. As long as you don't know which wheel is the problematic one (assuming the problem is this), you have to rotate every tire.
Helped me once
.Taken from www.carbibles.com:
"As well as not being able to manufacture perfectly weighted tyres, it's also nearly impossible to make a tyre which is perfectly circular. By perfectly circular, I mean down to some nauseating number of decimal places. Again, you'd be hard pushed to actually be able to tell that a tyre wasn't round without specialist equipment. Every tyre has a high and a low spot, the difference of which is called radial runout. Using sophisticated computer analysis, tyre manufacturers spin each tyre and look for the 'wobble' in the tyre at certain RPMs. It's all about harmonic frequency (you know - the frequency at which something vibrates, like the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse). Where the first harmonic curve from the tyre wobble hits its high point, that's where the tyre's high spot is. Manufacturers typically mark this point with a red dot on the tyre sidewall, although again, some tyres have no marks, and others use different colours. This is called the uniformity mark. Correspondingly, most wheel rims are also not 100% circular, and will have a notch or a dimple stamped into the wheel rim somewhere indicating their low point. It makes sense then, that the high point of the tyre should be matched with the low point of the wheel rim to balance out the radial runout."
--> So, if the high and low spots are marked on a tire AND the wheel, then a sketchy rotating (that 180° I mentioned) is unnecessary, and the tire can be fixed exactly on right location on the wheel.
I'm not saying this IS the problem, but I think you should try this.
- Antti -
You might be onto something, I found a thread on some SRT Neon forums and the guy had same vibration issues and he came to find out that the tire had un even rotation and that led to a cord internally breaking....so maybe that and the hub rings not fitting as snug could be causing this.
Seru sent me some pics and I looked at his tires and I never heard of that brand, googled it and found that issue
05-06-2010, 02:52 PM
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Hi and thnks for your reply!!
Men how to rotate the tires betweens ?? i understand what you say to switch the fron tires betweens right with left and left on right but i can not because i have the treat rotation on all the 4 tires?? the seller who sell me the Miro wheels told me to try to switch the front WHEELS not the tires but i dont know!!! and please tell me when i make the balance i need to have the hub rings on the wheels or i make the balance without this rings on the wheels because unitl now i make the balance without the rings on the wheels and i install after the balance its was done???
Please let me know!!
thnks
05-07-2010, 10:27 PM
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SORRY MY REPLY ITS WRONG UNDERSTAND WRONG YOUR OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!
MY fault!!!!!
05-07-2010, 10:42 PM
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Hi and thnks for your reply!!
Men how to rotate the tires betweens ?? i understand what you say to switch the fron tires betweens right with left and left on right but i can not because i have the treat rotation on all the 4 tires?? the seller who sell me the Miro wheels told me to try to switch the front WHEELS not the tires but i dont know!!! and please tell me when i make the balance i need to have the hub rings on the wheels or i make the balance without this rings on the wheels because unitl now i make the balance without the rings on the wheels and i install after the balance its was done???
Please let me know!!
thnks
Men how to rotate the tires betweens ?? i understand what you say to switch the fron tires betweens right with left and left on right but i can not because i have the treat rotation on all the 4 tires?? the seller who sell me the Miro wheels told me to try to switch the front WHEELS not the tires but i dont know!!! and please tell me when i make the balance i need to have the hub rings on the wheels or i make the balance without this rings on the wheels because unitl now i make the balance without the rings on the wheels and i install after the balance its was done???
Please let me know!!
thnks
I mean this:
1) Go to your wheel shop
2) Lift the car up
3) Let the air out of the tire
4) ROTATE THE TIRE ON WHEEL 180°!!!
5) Inflate the tires
6) Rebalance (Make sure your wheel mechanic puts weights on inner ring and outer ring on the wheel)
7) Put wheels back and go driving.
I can remember my replica wheels were balanced WITH the hubcentric rings on.