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Originally Posted by merklebob' post='201626' date='Nov 21 2005, 06:19 PM
you'd get the same hp form just increasing the red line on a stock 545. 342 / 6500 times 6100 gives 321 hp at 6100. you did get a slight increase in torque but its at 4000. max torque is better at lower rpm with a steady increase to max rpm.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit' post='201629' date='Nov 21 2005, 06:21 PM
If someone gets this intake, they should have the car dyno'd before and after controlling for everything except the Dinan airbox.
It is really hard to imagine a 17 hp gain from an airbox alone.
Dinan claimed similar hp gains for the E46 M3 with their CAI, but the hp gains could only be achieved with Dinan headers, and software upgrade.
It is really hard to imagine a 17 hp gain from an airbox alone.
Dinan claimed similar hp gains for the E46 M3 with their CAI, but the hp gains could only be achieved with Dinan headers, and software upgrade.
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But do you have to install it in conjunction with the high flow throttle body and free flow exhaust for these GAINS? online2long.gif
But do you have to install it in conjunction with the high flow throttle body and free flow exhaust for these GAINS? online2long.gif
Yes, I am waiting for Dinan to say you'll get 17 (RW)HP only if you also have its exhaust and throttle body. Dynoing would be a great idea, but doing so is expensive in Phoenix--maybe $500, but I am not positive. Maybe $500 is for a dyno tune. What do you think dynoing should cost? Apparently, Z06's truely yield about that much RWHP from a CAI--per dynos. But, the 545i? Well, maybe. I'll bet Dinan would not take the intake back if you don't get close to 17 RWHP on a dyno.
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Originally Posted by UPENN545' post='201711' date='Nov 21 2005, 08:52 PM
Im seriously considering this,what is the point system about? I see you mentioned 5 points?
Dinan's price, including labor, actually isn't too bad if you get close to the 17 RWHP. The cost per flywheel HP would be about {[(.9($999)) + (3 X $115)] - ($500 - $345)} / (17 / .85)}} = ($1,244 - $155) / 21 = $1,089 / 21 = $52--which is not too bad considering the comparable values in the first "Mind Candy" thread in my sig. In this calculation, .9 allows for a 10% Dinan certified dealer discount, and ($500 - $345) is the intakes "salvage" value less unintallation/reinstallation cost. I'll post my results and then correct any errors I find.
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Originally Posted by Don Juan' post='201774' date='Nov 21 2005, 10:49 PM
Does anyone k now if the airbox of the 545 is the same of a 550? the filter seems the same
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If someone gets this intake, they should have the car dyno'd before and after controlling for everything except the Dinan airbox.
It is really hard to imagine a 17 hp gain from an airbox alone.
Dinan claimed similar hp gains for the E46 M3 with their CAI, but the hp gains could only be achieved with Dinan headers, and software upgrade.
It is really hard to imagine a 17 hp gain from an airbox alone.
Dinan claimed similar hp gains for the E46 M3 with their CAI, but the hp gains could only be achieved with Dinan headers, and software upgrade.
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But do you have to install it in conjunction with the high flow throttle body and free flow exhaust for these GAINS? online2long.gif
But do you have to install it in conjunction with the high flow throttle body and free flow exhaust for these GAINS? online2long.gif
Yes, I am waiting for Dinan to say you'll get 17 (RW)HP only if you also have its exhaust and throttle body. Dynoing would be a great idea, but doing so is expensive in Phoenix--maybe $500, but I am not positive. Maybe $500 is for a dyno tune. What do you think dynoing should cost? Apparently, Z06's truely yield about that much RWHP from a CAI--per dynos. But, the 545i? Well, maybe. I'll bet Dinan would not take the intake back if you don't get close to 17 RWHP on a dyno.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit' post='201629' date='Nov 21 2005, 06:21 PM
If someone gets this intake, they should have the car dyno'd before and after controlling for everything except the Dinan airbox.
It is really hard to imagine a 17 hp gain from an airbox alone.
Dinan claimed similar hp gains for the E46 M3 with their CAI, but the hp gains could only be achieved with Dinan headers, and software upgrade.
It is really hard to imagine a 17 hp gain from an airbox alone.
Dinan claimed similar hp gains for the E46 M3 with their CAI, but the hp gains could only be achieved with Dinan headers, and software upgrade.
530iii
But do you have to install it in conjunction with the high flow throttle body and free flow exhaust for these GAINS? online2long.gif
But do you have to install it in conjunction with the high flow throttle body and free flow exhaust for these GAINS? online2long.gif
Yes, I am waiting for Dinan to say you'll get 17 (RW)HP only if you also have its exhaust and throttle body. Dynoing would be a great idea, but doing so is expensive in Phoenix--maybe $500, but I am not positive. Maybe $500 is for a dyno tune. What do you think dynoing should cost? Apparently, Z06's truely yield about that much RWHP from a CAI--per dynos. But, the 545i? Well, maybe. I'll bet Dinan would not take the intake back if you don't get close to 17 RWHP on a dyno.
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look at the hp curve in the info section you'll the hp drops off the table at 61-6200 which indicate a fuel map shut off at that rpm. red line is different and i'm sorry i miss lead that issue.
for the best effect the torque from 4000 on should be flat or good down slightly [perfect world hard to acheive].
look at the hp curve in the info section you'll the hp drops off the table at 61-6200 which indicate a fuel map shut off at that rpm. red line is different and i'm sorry i miss lead that issue.
for the best effect the torque from 4000 on should be flat or good down slightly [perfect world hard to acheive].
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Originally Posted by merklebob' post='202074' date='Nov 22 2005, 01:35 PM
vnod
look at the hp curve in the info section you'll the hp drops off the table at 61-6200 which indicate a fuel map shut off at that rpm. red line is different and i'm sorry i miss lead that issue.
for the best effect the torque from 4000 on should be flat or good down slightly [perfect world hard to acheive].
look at the hp curve in the info section you'll the hp drops off the table at 61-6200 which indicate a fuel map shut off at that rpm. red line is different and i'm sorry i miss lead that issue.
for the best effect the torque from 4000 on should be flat or good down slightly [perfect world hard to acheive].
On torque, the best effect would be to have max all the way across the RPM band. Given that this scenario never plays out, the next best would be for torque to start high and never decrease. This scenario never plays out either. So, we are left with what you indicate is optimal--since your scenario is pretty much the best that could be hoped for.
I'd like to look at the table. I tried, but was unable to find it quickly. Could you direct me to it by giving more detail. Thanks much.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit' post='201629' date='Nov 21 2005, 06:21 PM
If someone gets this intake, they should have the car dyno'd before and after controlling for everything except the Dinan airbox.
It is really hard to imagine a 17 hp gain from an airbox alone.
Dinan claimed similar hp gains for the E46 M3 with their CAI, but the hp gains could only be achieved with Dinan headers, and software upgrade.
It is really hard to imagine a 17 hp gain from an airbox alone.
Dinan claimed similar hp gains for the E46 M3 with their CAI, but the hp gains could only be achieved with Dinan headers, and software upgrade.
530iii
But do you have to install it in conjunction with the high flow throttle body and free flow exhaust for these GAINS? online2long.gif
But do you have to install it in conjunction with the high flow throttle body and free flow exhaust for these GAINS? online2long.gif
Yes, I am waiting for Dinan to say you'll get 17 (RW)HP only if you also have its exhaust and throttle body. Dynoing would be a great idea, but doing so is expensive in Phoenix--maybe $500, but I am not positive. Maybe $500 is for a dyno tune. What do you think dynoing should cost? Apparently, Z06's truely yield about that much RWHP from a CAI--per dynos. But, the 545i? Well, maybe. I'll bet Dinan would not take the intake back if you don't get close to 17 RWHP on a dyno.