530d is now remapped
02-16-2006, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by inmediate' post='241216' date='Feb 16 2006, 12:05 PM
I took to remap my 535D to an Upsolute distributor in Spain
later on, I took it to an independent dyno to measure.
Std 272 hp remap 329,7 at 4150 rpm Aprox 20% gain
560 Nm 660 Nm 17%
Speed limitator was eliminated too
Upsolute is said to apply conservative modification to original software.
Since it is delivered only with Steptronic gearbox, it has a fluid torque converter. Thus eliminating clutch problems although causing some loss of inmediate torque transmission to wheels.
later on, I took it to an independent dyno to measure.
Std 272 hp remap 329,7 at 4150 rpm Aprox 20% gain
560 Nm 660 Nm 17%
Speed limitator was eliminated too
Upsolute is said to apply conservative modification to original software.
Since it is delivered only with Steptronic gearbox, it has a fluid torque converter. Thus eliminating clutch problems although causing some loss of inmediate torque transmission to wheels.
02-16-2006, 08:20 AM
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Anyways the 231bhp part is NOT correct, he has the earlier 218bhp engine... And w8pmc, it is entirely possible , it just shortens the life of the components. If you speak to Rob at DMS , he will tell you that the 3litre biturbo engine (535d) is good enough for 400bhp and in excess of 750nm, but simply that this would affect reliability in the medium run.
DMS tweaks cars to safe and reasonable levels.. some other tuners DONT .. simple as that !
just to give an example. Speaking of the RS6 Wetterauer offers a gain of 75bhp and 120nm for only ?950 quid ..... so tuners vary
http://www.wetterauer.de/chiptuning/...tt.php?id=1496
02-16-2006, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='241220' date='Feb 16 2006, 12:20 PM
i think i put this forward in the right way ????
Anyways the 231bhp part is NOT correct, he has the earlier 218bhp engine... And w8pmc, it is entirely possible , it just shortens the life of the components. If you speak to Rob at DMS , he will tell you that the 3litre biturbo engine (535d) is good enough for 400bhp and in excess of 750nm, but simply that this would affect reliability in the medium run.
DMS tweaks cars to safe and reasonable levels.. some other tuners DONT .. simple as that !
Anyways the 231bhp part is NOT correct, he has the earlier 218bhp engine... And w8pmc, it is entirely possible , it just shortens the life of the components. If you speak to Rob at DMS , he will tell you that the 3litre biturbo engine (535d) is good enough for 400bhp and in excess of 750nm, but simply that this would affect reliability in the medium run.
DMS tweaks cars to safe and reasonable levels.. some other tuners DONT .. simple as that !
In order to see those sort of gains, you'd need major mechanical modifications or the car would surely just blow up the 1st time you pushed it?? I can't see that any of the 530 or 535D's mechanics coping with 400BHP.
You'd have to be insane to put those kind of increased stress's on your car.
So let me get this straight then, companies out their have re-maps available for the 530D & i guess the 535D as well, that can increase the BHP by close to & over 100BHP & over 200NM??
I'm amazed beyond belief if that's the case.
02-16-2006, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='241222' date='Feb 16 2006, 05:26 PM
I know Rob fairly well & we've raced a couple times in the past at VMAX, but i still stand by the fact that a re-map alone can't produce those figures. If i'm wrong, then i'm very wrong & sorry.
In order to see those sort of gains, you'd need major mechanical modifications or the car would surely just blow up the 1st time you pushed it?? I can't see that any of the 530 or 535D's mechanics coping with 400BHP.
You'd have to be insane to put those kind of increased stress's on your car.
So let me get this straight then, companies out their have re-maps available for the 530D & i guess the 535D as well, that can increase the BHP by close to & over 100BHP & over 200NM??
I'm amazed beyond belief if that's the case.
In order to see those sort of gains, you'd need major mechanical modifications or the car would surely just blow up the 1st time you pushed it?? I can't see that any of the 530 or 535D's mechanics coping with 400BHP.
You'd have to be insane to put those kind of increased stress's on your car.
So let me get this straight then, companies out their have re-maps available for the 530D & i guess the 535D as well, that can increase the BHP by close to & over 100BHP & over 200NM??
I'm amazed beyond belief if that's the case.
So yes your really stressing your components, but do note that they have quite a wide tolerance and can handle the increased horsepwer. As for it blowing up , it wont do it on the 1st time but with that kind of crazy figures i would imagine in 6-8 months you will have BIG problems with teh turbo...
Anyways Skaffa is well known here so i have no reason to dispute him
/look at this BTW for 535d
http://www.wetterauer.de/chiptuning/...tt.php?id=2458
http://www.wetterauer.de/chiptuning/...tt.php?id=2238
02-16-2006, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='241220' date='Feb 16 2006, 12:20 PM
i think i put this forward in the right way ????
Anyways the 231bhp part is NOT correct, he has the earlier 218bhp engine... And w8pmc, it is entirely possible , it just shortens the life of the components. If you speak to Rob at DMS , he will tell you that the 3litre biturbo engine (535d) is good enough for 400bhp and in excess of 750nm, but simply that this would affect reliability in the medium run.
DMS tweaks cars to safe and reasonable levels.. some other tuners DONT .. simple as that !
just to give an example. Speaking of the RS6 Wetterauer offers a gain of 75bhp and 120nm for only ?950 quid ..... so tuners vary
http://www.wetterauer.de/chiptuning/...tt.php?id=1496
Anyways the 231bhp part is NOT correct, he has the earlier 218bhp engine... And w8pmc, it is entirely possible , it just shortens the life of the components. If you speak to Rob at DMS , he will tell you that the 3litre biturbo engine (535d) is good enough for 400bhp and in excess of 750nm, but simply that this would affect reliability in the medium run.
DMS tweaks cars to safe and reasonable levels.. some other tuners DONT .. simple as that !
just to give an example. Speaking of the RS6 Wetterauer offers a gain of 75bhp and 120nm for only ?950 quid ..... so tuners vary
http://www.wetterauer.de/chiptuning/...tt.php?id=1496
To safely get above these figures, internals like turbos, intercoolers & oil coolers need changing & in an RS6, you'd need to get the tiptronic hearbox re-mapped as well being this is an RS6 weak spot.
I'm amazed if it's true that some tuners choose to over power a car in such a way as to knowingly cause mechanical failure as the tuner in question for the OP's 530D will certainly be doing & even perhaps the company you mention above.
I'll stay with the tried & tested methods & enjoy my car for what it is & what it's meant to be. The DMS re-map will be the only modification to my 535D.
Just to re-iterate (being fairly new on here), i'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone, but modifying is something i'm fairly knowledgable about & as such the OP's claims seemed a little over optimisitic, but perhaps not being a BMW expert, i'm wrong about the gains achievable from just a re-map.
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i agree ! caution should be taken when remapping and picking a tuner 
but wetterauer is de-facto one of the biggest and most respected tuners for bmw in germany with hs and kelleners sport... 
in the end if you are happy knowing that your stretching your cars mechanics then its up to you !
but wetterauer is de-facto one of the biggest and most respected tuners for bmw in germany with hs and kelleners sport... in the end if you are happy knowing that your stretching your cars mechanics then its up to you !
02-16-2006, 09:01 AM
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Years ago I saw an old Zodiac with wide steel wheels and twin exhast pipes, the bootlid inscription read something like:
6.0 Litre 32 valve twin turbo nitrous injection - by Bullsh*t Racing.
It isn't always what you know about tuning, you sometimes have to allow for the human race
6.0 Litre 32 valve twin turbo nitrous injection - by Bullsh*t Racing.
It isn't always what you know about tuning, you sometimes have to allow for the human race
02-16-2006, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='241229' date='Feb 16 2006, 12:46 PM
i agree ! caution should be taken when remapping and picking a tuner but wetterauer is de-facto one of the biggest and most respected tuners for bmw in germany with hs and kelleners sport...
in the end if you are happy knowing that your stretching your cars mechanics then its up to you !
but wetterauer is de-facto one of the biggest and most respected tuners for bmw in germany with hs and kelleners sport... in the end if you are happy knowing that your stretching your cars mechanics then its up to you !
I'd certainly not want to stretch my car even close to it's limitations so i'll stick where i am & with the figures i've got. Only decided on DMS, as i know them, i know Rob & i've a couple of friends who have used DMS, aslong with the reports i read on here prior to collecting my car. But i'll be doing no more to my car than i've done already.
I knew of RS6's that were close to & over 600BHP so i was comfortable taking mine to 560BHP, knowing i still had margin, however my car still destroyed a gearbox & the replacement cost was ?15000 including labour, which to my fortune was covered under Audi warranty.
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Originally Posted by blingo' post='241236' date='Feb 16 2006, 01:01 PM
Years ago I saw an old Zodiac with wide steel wheels and twin exhast pipes, the bootlid inscription read something like:
6.0 Litre 32 valve twin turbo nitrous injection - by Bullsh*t Racing.
It isn't always what you know about tuning, you sometimes have to allow for the human race
6.0 Litre 32 valve twin turbo nitrous injection - by Bullsh*t Racing.
It isn't always what you know about tuning, you sometimes have to allow for the human race
02-16-2006, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='241217' date='Feb 16 2006, 12:05 PM
no it is possible although normally it depends on how the engine is tweaked for example the 350z spec r has 20bhp more than the standard car and 11nm less ... 
A remapped 530d (218bhp) reliably only should reach 260bhp max so dont worry mate. You still got a cracker of the car. As i have tried to explain on a number of occasions, max torque does not matter, torque distribution does.
If you tweak the ignition timings and the rate at which the piezo(is that spelled right)-injectors open and close, while keeping a certain level of boost from the turbocharger, you can achieve higher torque, while at the same time not increasing the horsepower figure
/immediate, stop advertising that tuner all the time
although normally it depends on how the engine is tweaked for example the 350z spec r has 20bhp more than the standard car and 11nm less ... A remapped 530d (218bhp) reliably only should reach 260bhp max so dont worry mate. You still got a cracker of the car. As i have tried to explain on a number of occasions, max torque does not matter, torque distribution does.
If you tweak the ignition timings and the rate at which the piezo(is that spelled right)-injectors open and close, while keeping a certain level of boost from the turbocharger, you can achieve higher torque, while at the same time not increasing the horsepower figure
/immediate, stop advertising that tuner all the time
Don?t be suspicious. I have no relationship at all with them. In the UK you have the very best tuners available. If I tell you the truth it was due to reading about british tuners that I decided to do something with my car.
