hmm,, then you lost your CD changer also, right !?!?! :thumbsdown:

 

I did. They left it for me in the boot.

 

3. It uses an iPod.

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This is an interesting "IMO" from sombody who manages software releases. The very nature of software is managed through version because it will ALWAYS have bugs. The more pressure to deliver innovation, and the more interface options (just how many years and options can be applied to the e60 platform from its conception) introduces a complexity that typical software development does not have to deal with. From where I see BMW sitting, these 'hiccups' while frustrating at our level, do not reflect their commitment to R&D or quality control.

I have version 23.02 and dont get me wrong; I am not pleased with the apparent challenges with the eyebrows and other items; however, the innovation that the car demonstrates FAR outweighs the pain of waiting for the next release. As you seemed to indicate in your feedback, its quite possible that the eyebrow issues could have held back release or prevented several other fixes from being possible at the time. It wasnt documented in the literature; however, perhaps BMW's reluctance to give out CIP upgrades as a first line of defence is because they are aware of the different challenges for each upgrade.

Its definately not ideal. At the end of the day though, "IMO" if one doesnt want these kinds of challenges, one needs to opt for a much more simple car like a baseline Honda....

 

Agreed.

That's why there are three categories of software maintenance:

Corrective
Adaptive
Perfective

(Is there one beginning with "R" missing? )

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The title of this thread has just affected me as well.
I was going in for an update (24.01) for the eyebrow issue, m5 mirror install and aux in retrofit. I changed my mind at the last moment to prefer the native ipod interface after realising the difference at the end for me would be in the region of 80euros..plus they had one in stock.

They just called me informing that their software computer crashed : "please keep you loaner indefenitely - will call you when the 545i is ready"...plus it was mentioned that 24.01 lacks the eyebrow issue fix...

The service dealer mentioned they appreciated my patience and that in 2008 BMW will overhaul their software update procedure/equipment, and that a software update will only take 30 mins in the future. Each mechanics' position will be installed with a network adapter so more cars can be updated at once. Currently only one position is available at my dealer, requiring tedious organisation. They reckon "overnighters" will come to an end.

 

Are they simply telling you want you want to hear.

Also "in the future" isn't too specific and not necessarily coincident with the software overhaul.

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I can respect your argument here - I agree the challenge to innovate is paramount in many respects, I do not believe that it should subjucate or pressure the qualitive objective in any way though; I suspect neither would you in your position, the primary issue is as always will remain in balancing the many issues to achieve the result in terms of the overall obective; to which my argument may well pressure given that commercial, market as well as the innovative pressure you mention apply. As to the ongoing development and furthering complexity, yes this is challenge, that said a clearly visioned stuctured design from concept can support expansion, hence this may not be the main cause of ongoing pressures. Always a key challenge is within the advance of the technologies being used and those being intefaced with, this provides the greater challenge to maintaining control over original the objective IMO.

I do tend to take a somewhat lofty position on this issue - primarily the software that I'm involved with on a daily basis is likely a deal more critical in operational requirements - perhaps as you allude to with your last comment I should set my sights lower in respect of the CIP program - we'll for the present I'm unlikely too, I do however support the view that BMW's pursuit of innovation in vehicle contriol systems is to be welcomed - however I will remain critical of these control programs in the future if the flaws persist as now, it is this pressure that provides the drive to continued improvement in delivering quality solutions IMO. That said of course there is always room for compremise .........

 

no, I'm actually correlating the 2 items. He specifically mentioned after the supposed overhaul it will take around 30 mins... I've known the guy for 8 years - I don't like to believe he's lying through his teeth for no reason.

 

I guess your software development QA is very good!

But see how easy it is for bugs to creep in your chosen development language??? What chances for a bug-free CIP?

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