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06-19-2006, 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='299395' date='Jun 18 2006, 10:11 PM
Tonight because of the light trafiic, i decided to let her go again on my favorite bit of road, and i really pushed it at max...REALLY at the car's max....and mine. DSC off, of course, and at high speed cornering, when i really pushed it, i noticed a lil bit too much understeer than i would have wanted. Of course it's safer to be a bit understeery but i would have wanted less. So at those high speed corners when body roll is quite significant (because of the big weight of course) the slight body roll doesn't piss me at all since i like it a bit, and gives me more feel of what the car is actually doing and acting, the understeer upsets me a bit since i really have to push that throttle (because of the lack of lsd) to counter that understeer and turn it into that oversteer, but at those speeds (80-120km/h) is kinda hard to keep it exactly on that rezor's edge with the exact quantity of oversteer to cover the turn perfectly.
So i would ask now, what can i do to change that a bit? I would still want to have a bit of understeer initialy, but less than it is now? Working on toe and camber settings is an option? What do you think?
THanx!
So i would ask now, what can i do to change that a bit? I would still want to have a bit of understeer initialy, but less than it is now? Working on toe and camber settings is an option? What do you think?
THanx!
Simplest option to start with would be to get your 19 inch rims on and fit proper tyres (not run-flats). Try to choose something particularly sticky and as wide as possible for the front and something a bit harder for the back.
The different OEM tyre widths will also help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_handling
If you want more than that - then you'll need to get the damping / suspension looked at
06-19-2006, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by needforspeed' post='299588' date='Jun 19 2006, 12:08 PM
BMW's have a bit of a reputation for understeer at higher speeds.
Simplest option to start with would be to get your 19 inch rims on and fit proper tyres (not run-flats). Try to choose something particularly sticky and as wide as possible for the front and something a bit harder for the back.
The different OEM tyre widths will also help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_handling
If you want more than that - then you'll need to get the damping / suspension looked at
Simplest option to start with would be to get your 19 inch rims on and fit proper tyres (not run-flats). Try to choose something particularly sticky and as wide as possible for the front and something a bit harder for the back.
The different OEM tyre widths will also help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_handling
If you want more than that - then you'll need to get the damping / suspension looked at
Thanx!
06-19-2006, 01:58 AM
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I recommend the BMW Driver Traning, 80% of the time you practice that, they "cut" your ABS cable and all stuff (DTC, DSC) switched off, slick tires on the rears, wow that was fun. They even let you do the exercises w drifting 
this was w e87, so then I took my e60 on aquaplanning track all off, and still it was hard to drift, once it was nice.
Next yr Nring M training
PS. where the
in RO can you do that? no offence but with the roads there I wud be very careful mate, whats up w remapping???
this was w e87, so then I took my e60 on aquaplanning track all off, and still it was hard to drift, once it was nice. Next yr Nring M training
PS. where the
in RO can you do that? no offence but with the roads there I wud be very careful mate, whats up w remapping???
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Originally Posted by ats77' post='299601' date='Jun 19 2006, 12:58 PM
I recommend the BMW Driver Traning, 80% of the time you practice that, they "cut" your ABS cable and all stuff (DTC, DSC) switched off, slick tires on the rears, wow that was fun. They even let you do the exercises w drifting this was w e87, so then I took my e60 on aquaplanning track all off, and still it was hard to drift, once it was nice.
Next yr Nring M training
PS. where the in RO can you do that? no offence but with the roads there I wud be very careful mate, whats up w remapping???
this was w e87, so then I took my e60 on aquaplanning track all off, and still it was hard to drift, once it was nice. Next yr Nring M training
PS. where the
in RO can you do that? no offence but with the roads there I wud be very careful mate, whats up w remapping???Yeah i would take that training once i'll stay more in Germany...but no such luck in the near future.
Remaping has been postponed till august, cuz only then i get any spare time being so tighed up with the licence of the university and all that stuff....
06-19-2006, 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='299599' date='Jun 19 2006, 10:48 AM
So you are saying....go 19's, PS2s, 245 on the front since that's pretty much the maximum width (255 ?) and run the back ones at higher pressure right? Also i suspect that running on 19s with smaller tire walls (35F/30R) should help?
Thanx!
Thanx!
Recommended pressures are higher for the rear anyway due to the different sized tyres. I've got my front tyres mid way between the low and high load figures and the rears a little bit higher than midway.
The OEM sizes are 245/35/19 (front) and (275/30/19) rear on 8.0 and 9.5 inch rims respectively.
Dinan sell 9.0 inch (front) and 10.0 inch (rear) rims for the e60, but still recommend the same size tyres - although clearly wider ones might fit - I seem to remember someone posting with 285 /255 at least).
On their web-site they do claim that the wide tyres reduce understeer and compared to runflats the unsprung weight will be reduced which is all good:
http://www.dinancars.com/Series.asp?Series...s%20Tuning#2089
06-19-2006, 03:28 AM
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� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
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� CustomAngels, Angel Eyes Brighter than stocks 10X, WHITE & (REd for shows).
� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
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� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
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E60.net Clings
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� Our Hobi's camera system from : ww.switchchange.com).
� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='299606' date='Jun 19 2006, 12:05 PM
No offence taken, the roads here are awfull, but in the main center there are a few bits that aren't that bad...i did that of course at night and when there was almost no traffic.
Yeah i would take that training once i'll stay more in Germany...but no such luck in the near future.
Remaping has been postponed till august, cuz only then i get any spare time being so tighed up with the licence of the university and all that stuff....
Yeah i would take that training once i'll stay more in Germany...but no such luck in the near future.
Remaping has been postponed till august, cuz only then i get any spare time being so tighed up with the licence of the university and all that stuff....
how was your exams???
06-19-2006, 03:35 AM
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Have you tried jabbing the brake with your left foot as you turn in ? This will transfer weight to the front end, get the back lighter and bring it round. Start gently then build up confidence.
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I have noticed same understeer at the track, but there is simple solution for that too. Turn while braking! It helps a lot when weight is distributed front while braking. I think that they have done it safe and fast. To much power when coming out from corner will make it of course over steer and I think that M5 with all that power is actually easier to drive. You can dance car with all that power easier. Wheels will not like that thou. 
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Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='299599' date='Jun 19 2006, 11:48 AM
So you are saying....go 19's, PS2s, 245 on the front since that's pretty much the maximum width (255 ?) and run the back ones at higher pressure right? Also i suspect that running on 19s with smaller tire walls (35F/30R) should help?
Thanx!
Thanx!
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Originally Posted by M530DT' post='299649' date='Jun 19 2006, 03:06 PM
I go with 265/30-19 in front and 275/30-19 rear, 9,5"ET20 F+R, 5mm spacer in front and 15mm rear, absolutely no rubbing, but I have dynamic drive witch is incredible.
Have you had you fenders rolled? Wow you really must be the owner with the widest front tyres. Really nice setup you have there....