Milky white coolant - engine oil is OK but...
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The expansion tank oozed the Colby jack - super thick white paste if you will... white with streaks of brown. The Colby jack reference was from my old restaurant days :-)
The engine mysteriously lost a quart of oil in about a weeks time so I replaced it, three days later it wanted another quart. Now, it's asking for another one! So, there is about 2-3 quarts of oil in the coolant system.
The oil in the valve cover looked fine (other than being a little sludgy).
The expansion tank has developed a crack in the bottom slowly dripping out the white mess (added pressure perhaps?)
Dip stick? What dip stick? I'm not 100% but isn't this missing on the 07 (all sensor based)? If it's the tranny you're referring to then I'll look for it tomorrow.
The oil-to-water heat exchanger sits on top of the head right? On the front?
Anyway, I appreciate the efforts!
The engine mysteriously lost a quart of oil in about a weeks time so I replaced it, three days later it wanted another quart. Now, it's asking for another one! So, there is about 2-3 quarts of oil in the coolant system.
The oil in the valve cover looked fine (other than being a little sludgy).
The expansion tank has developed a crack in the bottom slowly dripping out the white mess (added pressure perhaps?)
Dip stick? What dip stick? I'm not 100% but isn't this missing on the 07 (all sensor based)? If it's the tranny you're referring to then I'll look for it tomorrow.
The oil-to-water heat exchanger sits on top of the head right? On the front?
Anyway, I appreciate the efforts!
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I don't buy the "You need a whole new engine". It could just be a bad head gasket (or heat exchanger if it has one). Remove head, check for warping, skim if necessary and fit a new headgasket. If the engine was running fine before the fault occurred (no knocking or rough running) then it should be OK.
Of course if your mechanic is telling you that the above work will cost as much as or more than just fitting a used engine, then that's a different story.
Of course if your mechanic is telling you that the above work will cost as much as or more than just fitting a used engine, then that's a different story.
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The expansion tank oozed the Colby jack - super thick white paste if you will... white with streaks of brown. The Colby jack reference was from my old restaurant days :-)
The engine mysteriously lost a quart of oil in about a weeks time so I replaced it, three days later it wanted another quart. Now, it's asking for another one! So, there is about 2-3 quarts of oil in the coolant system.
The oil in the valve cover looked fine (other than being a little sludgy).
The expansion tank has developed a crack in the bottom slowly dripping out the white mess (added pressure perhaps?)
Dip stick? What dip stick? I'm not 100% but isn't this missing on the 07 (all sensor based)? If it's the tranny you're referring to then I'll look for it tomorrow.
The oil-to-water heat exchanger sits on top of the head right? On the front?
Anyway, I appreciate the efforts!
The engine mysteriously lost a quart of oil in about a weeks time so I replaced it, three days later it wanted another quart. Now, it's asking for another one! So, there is about 2-3 quarts of oil in the coolant system.
The oil in the valve cover looked fine (other than being a little sludgy).
The expansion tank has developed a crack in the bottom slowly dripping out the white mess (added pressure perhaps?)
Dip stick? What dip stick? I'm not 100% but isn't this missing on the 07 (all sensor based)? If it's the tranny you're referring to then I'll look for it tomorrow.
The oil-to-water heat exchanger sits on top of the head right? On the front?
Anyway, I appreciate the efforts!
This might not end up a dire as you fear, since it appears that the oil is leaking into the coolant, but the coolant has still done its job, since you claim that the engine has not overheated.
Find the source of the leak, repair, flush out the cooling system and replace the coolant and see.
Salut, Bob P.
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Now the tech is telling me that there is a known issue with the engine oil cooler failing and mixing with the coolant... so, that means you guys are way ahead of this dude and you haven't even seen the car. Nice.
However... I am finding multiple coolers in the engine bay. I've also located some on eBay but one pic says its the engine oil cooler and the same pic down the list claims it's the transmission cooler?!
I've also came across a couple threads talking about the oil cooler gasket failing and causing this.
Which cooler do I need?
BMW 17217559960 Genuine Factory Original Oil Cooler | eBay
or
BMW 11427525333 Engine Oil Cooler Oil Cooler | eBay
However... I am finding multiple coolers in the engine bay. I've also located some on eBay but one pic says its the engine oil cooler and the same pic down the list claims it's the transmission cooler?!
I've also came across a couple threads talking about the oil cooler gasket failing and causing this.
Which cooler do I need?
BMW 17217559960 Genuine Factory Original Oil Cooler | eBay
or
BMW 11427525333 Engine Oil Cooler Oil Cooler | eBay
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Now the tech is telling me that there is a known issue with the engine oil cooler failing and mixing with the coolant... so, that means you guys are way ahead of this dude and you haven't even seen the car. Nice.
However... I am finding multiple coolers in the engine bay. I've also located some on eBay but one pic says its the engine oil cooler and the same pic down the list claims it's the transmission cooler?!
I've also came across a couple threads talking about the oil cooler gasket failing and causing this.
Which cooler do I need?
BMW 17217559960 Genuine Factory Original Oil Cooler | eBay
or
BMW 11427525333 Engine Oil Cooler Oil Cooler | eBay
However... I am finding multiple coolers in the engine bay. I've also located some on eBay but one pic says its the engine oil cooler and the same pic down the list claims it's the transmission cooler?!
I've also came across a couple threads talking about the oil cooler gasket failing and causing this.
Which cooler do I need?
BMW 17217559960 Genuine Factory Original Oil Cooler | eBay
or
BMW 11427525333 Engine Oil Cooler Oil Cooler | eBay
BMW 11427525333 Engine Oil Cooler Oil Cooler | eBay
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I learned that the guys changed the oil filter housing gasket prior to selling it to me and I also removed the oil-coolant cooler and the gasket 'appears' to be OK, it's still flexible and not brittle but I'm replacing it anyway. I'm also replacing the oil filter housing again just in case they screwed it up.
I'm assuming that since there is oil in the coolant and no coolant in the engine it actually could be a gasket as oil pressure is higher than coolant pressure correct?
The tranny fluid is excellent so that cooler is working properly.
The oil contamination is substantial however, does anyone have the proper flush technique and chemicals used on the engine? I was told Simple Green was very good at doing this job but I want to make sure before I potentially damaged the aluminum.
I didn't see an electrical water pump (as on the X5) so i can assume it has a mechanical pump?
After the flushing is completed I'll replace the thermostat as well.
I've had a few 3 Series but this is my first 5 so I do apologize for the simple questions but the simple things tend to burn you faster than the major ones. :-)
I'm assuming that since there is oil in the coolant and no coolant in the engine it actually could be a gasket as oil pressure is higher than coolant pressure correct?
The tranny fluid is excellent so that cooler is working properly.
The oil contamination is substantial however, does anyone have the proper flush technique and chemicals used on the engine? I was told Simple Green was very good at doing this job but I want to make sure before I potentially damaged the aluminum.
I didn't see an electrical water pump (as on the X5) so i can assume it has a mechanical pump?
After the flushing is completed I'll replace the thermostat as well.
I've had a few 3 Series but this is my first 5 so I do apologize for the simple questions but the simple things tend to burn you faster than the major ones. :-)
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Just an update:
I removed the oil cooler and pressure tested it with 40 PSI.
I submerged the cooler in a tub of water (after cleaning it) and covered one side of the coolant hole with my finger and pressurized it... no leaks/bubbles coming out of the oil holes.
I repeated the process for the oil hole... I got 1 good size bubble every 1-2 seconds coming out of the coolant holes. Bingo. Bad oil cooler.
This explains why I have oil in the coolant but no coolant in the oil.
$130 for a new cooler and I'm back on the road.
Thanks for all the help everyone!
I removed the oil cooler and pressure tested it with 40 PSI.
I submerged the cooler in a tub of water (after cleaning it) and covered one side of the coolant hole with my finger and pressurized it... no leaks/bubbles coming out of the oil holes.
I repeated the process for the oil hole... I got 1 good size bubble every 1-2 seconds coming out of the coolant holes. Bingo. Bad oil cooler.
This explains why I have oil in the coolant but no coolant in the oil.
$130 for a new cooler and I'm back on the road.
Thanks for all the help everyone!
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excellent, you saved yourself a ton of money.
I'd recommend you to change the oil as well as coolant flush, just to make sure remnant fluids are not lingering in the system.
I'd recommend you to change the oil as well as coolant flush, just to make sure remnant fluids are not lingering in the system.