LCI 525d vs 530d
07-18-2007, 01:11 PM
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It seems to me that the basic engine must be the same, production costs alone would support this. However, it's looking like some of the bolt on bit's e.g. turbo maybe different.
After dialogue with the reputatble tuner I referred to in the first post, it appears that the 525d's maximum torque output of 400 Nm @ 1300rpm is deliberately 'capped' to prevented it from producing any more torque. This gives a flat torque curve from there on. A remap will allow the torque to not be artificially limited and it will rise from 400 Nm at 1300 rpm reaching its peak of approx 530 Nm nearer to 2000 rpm. It will also hold this almost to the red line instead of tailing off at around 3950 rpm.
I guess the risk here is to the turbo being over worked if it is a lower spec than the 530d. I guess the same concern applies to 530d's where they are remapped to give similar power to standard 535d's and like wise when 535d's are remapped to give similar power to.......... well.......... a boeing 767!
I take it the 530d engine is mechanically the same as a 535d, albeit without the fancy twin turbo's and other supporting bolt on bit's?
After dialogue with the reputatble tuner I referred to in the first post, it appears that the 525d's maximum torque output of 400 Nm @ 1300rpm is deliberately 'capped' to prevented it from producing any more torque. This gives a flat torque curve from there on. A remap will allow the torque to not be artificially limited and it will rise from 400 Nm at 1300 rpm reaching its peak of approx 530 Nm nearer to 2000 rpm. It will also hold this almost to the red line instead of tailing off at around 3950 rpm.
I guess the risk here is to the turbo being over worked if it is a lower spec than the 530d. I guess the same concern applies to 530d's where they are remapped to give similar power to standard 535d's and like wise when 535d's are remapped to give similar power to.......... well.......... a boeing 767!
I take it the 530d engine is mechanically the same as a 535d, albeit without the fancy twin turbo's and other supporting bolt on bit's?
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Originally Posted by Palmo' post='449371' date='Jul 18 2007, 10:11 PM
I take it the 530d engine is mechanically the same as a 535d, albeit without the fancy twin turbo's and other supporting bolt on bit's?
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07-18-2007, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by aybeesea' post='449375' date='Jul 18 2007, 10:23 PM
There are "unsubstantiated" rumours as to why, but the 535d doesn't come with a manual transmission variant...
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07-18-2007, 09:55 PM
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Herr BMW cannot produce a Manual 'box (economically) to cope with the prodigious torque of the 535d. That's not to say that the Auto box is stronger, it's just that BMW can apply software to an Auto Box, with varied success - see the numerous posts on this! - so that the torque can be limited via the engine management system. No-one has yet been able to produce software that will work on an over-eager clutch foot!
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I DO wish the they would make a Manual version of the 535d.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I DO wish the they would make a Manual version of the 535d.
07-20-2007, 11:59 AM
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My Ride: My ex-ride: EU '08 LCI 520dA. Space Grey, Sport Seats in Black Leather/Fabric Anthracite, Sport Steering Wheel, A/C with Extended Features, Hi-Fi Speakers, Cup Holders, Cruise with Braking function, Folding Rear Seats, Xenons, Park Distance Control.
I have earier wrote that the most efficent mech/tech cylinder room is 0,5 litres.
Now BMW has decided to manufacturer only 2.0 litre 4 cyl, 3.0 litre six-in-lines
and THE 4.0 liter V8 and a 5 litre V10 and a six litre V12.
The 1.6 litre 4 cyl, 2.5 liter L6 and the non stabil 4.8 litre V8 are of course braking
the rule for obvious reasons.
As the the V10 is actually.
Most if not all are full aluminum/magnesium low weight engines with top computer aided
fluid injection, very advanced valve handling and turbos.
Soon there will also be a 2 liter twin-turbo diesel engine and more...
Now BMW has decided to manufacturer only 2.0 litre 4 cyl, 3.0 litre six-in-lines
and THE 4.0 liter V8 and a 5 litre V10 and a six litre V12.
The 1.6 litre 4 cyl, 2.5 liter L6 and the non stabil 4.8 litre V8 are of course braking
the rule for obvious reasons.
As the the V10 is actually.
Most if not all are full aluminum/magnesium low weight engines with top computer aided
fluid injection, very advanced valve handling and turbos.
Soon there will also be a 2 liter twin-turbo diesel engine and more...
07-23-2007, 01:24 AM
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My Ride: E60 525d M-Sport Saloon M57N2 3.0d LCI
EXTERIOR: Jet Black, ///M-Aerodynamic Bodystyling, ///M-Rear Spoiler, De-badged, Gradual Tint Windscreen, ///M-Double Spoke 172M 19" Alloy Wheels (with non-run flats & space saver spare wheel) & ///M-Sports Suspension;
INTERIOR: ///M-Steering Wheel, Black Dakota Leather Heated Sports Seats with Electric Lumbar Supports, Brushed Aluminium Interior Trim & Anthracite Headlining.
UPDATE
For those interested in this I have found some further information from elsewhere which I believe to be accurate regarding this.
The basic LCI 525d and 530d engines are identical or so I'm told. They use the same block and cylinder head set-up. However they both use different turbo's, injectors, fuel pumps and pipework (not sure what the exact differences are on the later point). I guess it is these differences that equates to the additional ?4k premium for the 530d, where these items must be 'beefed up'.
In terms of tuning, I have approached several of the best regarded outfits in the UK and it seems that the 525d can easily be remapped to give similar or slightly more power output than the standard 530d with no problems whatsoever. It is the different turbo, injectors, fuel pumps and pipework that are the limiting factors. However, as most of you will know the 530d can easily be tuned to give similar power output's to the standard 535d, which in turn can also be tuned to give considerably more.
Just thought new LCI 525d owners may like to be aware of this info. The tuning companies I spoke to say they have each remapped a number of the new LCI 525d's already (including a number of 325d's which have had this engine set-up for a little longer) and have experienced some impressive gains from remapping alone. I have been quoted anywhere from a 36bhp - 48bhp increase with a 65 Nm (47.94 lb/ft) - 130 Nm (95.88 lb/ft) increase. Impressive gains over the standard 197hp / 400 Nm (295 lb/ft). Price quotes have also varied from ?335 - ?595.
For those interested in this I have found some further information from elsewhere which I believe to be accurate regarding this.
The basic LCI 525d and 530d engines are identical or so I'm told. They use the same block and cylinder head set-up. However they both use different turbo's, injectors, fuel pumps and pipework (not sure what the exact differences are on the later point). I guess it is these differences that equates to the additional ?4k premium for the 530d, where these items must be 'beefed up'.
In terms of tuning, I have approached several of the best regarded outfits in the UK and it seems that the 525d can easily be remapped to give similar or slightly more power output than the standard 530d with no problems whatsoever. It is the different turbo, injectors, fuel pumps and pipework that are the limiting factors. However, as most of you will know the 530d can easily be tuned to give similar power output's to the standard 535d, which in turn can also be tuned to give considerably more.
Just thought new LCI 525d owners may like to be aware of this info. The tuning companies I spoke to say they have each remapped a number of the new LCI 525d's already (including a number of 325d's which have had this engine set-up for a little longer) and have experienced some impressive gains from remapping alone. I have been quoted anywhere from a 36bhp - 48bhp increase with a 65 Nm (47.94 lb/ft) - 130 Nm (95.88 lb/ft) increase. Impressive gains over the standard 197hp / 400 Nm (295 lb/ft). Price quotes have also varied from ?335 - ?595.
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07-23-2007, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Palmo' post='451091' date='Jul 23 2007, 10:24 AM
UPDATE
For those interested in this I have found some further information from elsewhere which I believe to be accurate regarding this.
The basic LCI 525d and 530d engines are identical or so I'm told. They use the same block and cylinder head set-up. However they both use different turbo's, injectors, fuel pumps and pipework (not sure what the exact differences are on the later point). I guess it is these differences that equates to the additional ?4k premium for the 530d, where these items must be 'beefed up'.
In terms of tuning, I have approached several of the best regarded outfits in the UK and it seems that the 525d can easily be remapped to give similar or slightly more power output than the standard 530d with no problems whatsoever. It is the different turbo, injectors, fuel pumps and pipework that are the limiting factors. However, as most of you will know the 530d can easily be tuned to give similar power output's to the standard 535d, which in turn can also be tuned to give considerably more.
Just thought new LCI 525d owners may like to be aware of this info. The tuning companies I spoke to say they have each remapped a number of the new LCI 525d's already (including a number of 325d's which have had this engine set-up for a little longer) and have experienced some impressive gains from remapping alone. I have been quoted anywhere from a 36bhp - 48bhp increase with a 65 Nm (47.94 lb/ft) - 130 Nm (95.88 lb/ft) increase. Impressive gains over the standard 197hp / 400 Nm (295 lb/ft). Price quotes have also varied from ?335 - ?595.
For those interested in this I have found some further information from elsewhere which I believe to be accurate regarding this.
The basic LCI 525d and 530d engines are identical or so I'm told. They use the same block and cylinder head set-up. However they both use different turbo's, injectors, fuel pumps and pipework (not sure what the exact differences are on the later point). I guess it is these differences that equates to the additional ?4k premium for the 530d, where these items must be 'beefed up'.
In terms of tuning, I have approached several of the best regarded outfits in the UK and it seems that the 525d can easily be remapped to give similar or slightly more power output than the standard 530d with no problems whatsoever. It is the different turbo, injectors, fuel pumps and pipework that are the limiting factors. However, as most of you will know the 530d can easily be tuned to give similar power output's to the standard 535d, which in turn can also be tuned to give considerably more.
Just thought new LCI 525d owners may like to be aware of this info. The tuning companies I spoke to say they have each remapped a number of the new LCI 525d's already (including a number of 325d's which have had this engine set-up for a little longer) and have experienced some impressive gains from remapping alone. I have been quoted anywhere from a 36bhp - 48bhp increase with a 65 Nm (47.94 lb/ft) - 130 Nm (95.88 lb/ft) increase. Impressive gains over the standard 197hp / 400 Nm (295 lb/ft). Price quotes have also varied from ?335 - ?595.
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07-23-2007, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Redrum' post='451213' date='Jul 23 2007, 08:05 PM
Sorry to hijack your thread - I saw a car similar to yours this morning in Manchester - do you ever wear a yellow/green flourescent jacket whilst in your car?
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07-23-2007, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Palmo' post='451235' date='Jul 23 2007, 09:08 PM
No it wasn't me. My car hasn't been out for about 4 days now. I take it you are from the Manchester area?
Yes, I live up the M61 and come into Manchester every day. Saw your sig and it matched one I saw this morning - very nice looking, good colour choice.
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