I'm in the USA, please tell me about Diesels
04-21-2005, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ats77' date='Apr 21 2005, 04:13 PM
[quote name='Merv the Derv' date='Apr 21 2005, 10:07 PM'][quote name='ats77' date='Apr 21 2005, 04:01 PM']The 525 is the same but with slightly less power than the 530d.
? yep wat I thought also but ask pmmeke done by the ketchup 
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? yep wat I thought also but ask pmmeke done by the ketchup ? [snapback]118219[/snapback]
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[/quote]he will get his tuned and then the above mentioned will not be quite true
ketchup reffers to the tuning shop, do not wanna advertise too much but he is the best here
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[/quote]Oh ok
What will the power/torque increase to then? And what are you getting?
04-22-2005, 03:32 AM
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My Ride: 535 D - to be delivered end Feb 2005 - color E08 - comfort seats - executive leather balck - 122 wheels - dynamic drive - active steering - pack luxe - tecnology pack - moon roof - 6CD player - hifi system - spare wheel - BT phone
I used to drive a Merecedes E500 8 cylinders (W211).
Compared with my new 535D I have now:
- a quicker response and accelerations at low rev up to 2000 rpm (+- 80 mph)
- a little less response higher (maybe more linear accelerations)
- 30 % fuel consumption reduction with a cheaper fuel (-10%)
- some minor vibrations butt still at idle
- less noise at constant speed
- some diesel noise at some rev (about 1500 rpm)
- the engine looks to be a little more rougth than in acceleration but still very smooth
- a far better resale value
Compared with my new 535D I have now:
- a quicker response and accelerations at low rev up to 2000 rpm (+- 80 mph)
- a little less response higher (maybe more linear accelerations)
- 30 % fuel consumption reduction with a cheaper fuel (-10%)
- some minor vibrations butt still at idle
- less noise at constant speed
- some diesel noise at some rev (about 1500 rpm)
- the engine looks to be a little more rougth than in acceleration but still very smooth
- a far better resale value
04-22-2005, 04:04 AM
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BMW diesel engines is some of the best on the market... I drove a BMW 1 with a 163 hp diesel engine... it was a blast... It had so much power to give... I don't understand why diesel BMW's is not for sale in the US.... americans love big engines with a lot of power, so diesel would be perfekt for them....
04-22-2005, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FJPM' date='Apr 22 2005, 06:32 AM
I used to drive a Merecedes E500 8 cylinders (W211).
Compared with my new 535D I have now:
- a quicker response? and accelerations at low rev up to 2000 rpm (+- 80 mph)
- a little less response higher (maybe more linear accelerations)
- 30 % fuel consumption reduction with a cheaper fuel (-10%)
- some minor vibrations butt still at idle
- less noise at constant speed
- some diesel noise at some rev (about 1500 rpm)
- the engine looks to be a little more rougth than in acceleration but still very smooth
- a far better resale value
Compared with my new 535D I have now:
- a quicker response? and accelerations at low rev up to 2000 rpm (+- 80 mph)
- a little less response higher (maybe more linear accelerations)
- 30 % fuel consumption reduction with a cheaper fuel (-10%)
- some minor vibrations butt still at idle
- less noise at constant speed
- some diesel noise at some rev (about 1500 rpm)
- the engine looks to be a little more rougth than in acceleration but still very smooth
- a far better resale value
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04-23-2005, 08:44 AM
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My Ride: 525d Sport Touring, Carbon Black, Dakota Black Leather, Maple Wood interior trim
"How much more black could this be? And the answer is ‘None. None...more black’ " - David St Hubbins, Spinal Tap
A couple of points (pros and cons) about BMW diesel engines:
1. It is always mentioned that the torque falls away after 4500 rpm - what is not mentioned, however, is that the engine tops out at about 5500rpm, rather than the 7500 rpm you might expect from a petrol engine - in other words, the torque is available across most of the rev range. My 525d is only 177bhp, but puts out a max torque figure of 400nm.
2. The straight six diesel engines are very cultured indeed - I had a 320d (four cylinder, 150bhp) before my 525d (a great car/engine but a step back in terms of refinement from the original 1995cc engine (136bhp) that preceded it, which wasn't common rail) - that said, there is some clatter/vibration at idle, but it is muted inside the car (more obvious outside). At cruising speed (50 mph+) it is virtually silent.
3. Up to 1500rpm the engine can feel flat with very little torque on tap - gliding up to a junction or roundabout and then flooring it to nip out in front of oncoming traffic is not advisable unless you are above 1500rpm... however, at about 1800rpm it feels like someone has lit a rocket under the car. However, you soon adapt your driving style (I have a manual transmission, btw, not Steptronic). The 535d, I understand, solves this shortcoming through its dual turbo setup - expect bi-turbos to be the norm within five years imho.
4. I test drove a 525i and a 525d. I bought the 525d - no contest. 525i was virtually silent at idle, but under acceleration it seemed rather rough and strained - not powerful enough for the car basically. Sadly, a 545i was not an option...
5. 25 mpg vs 40mpg (conservative), so around 40% cheaper to run than a 525i. In the UK, that is big bucks over a couple of years. Diesel model is more expensive than petrol variant however.
6. Less carbon dioxide emissions. The trees love me.
Hope that helps some.
1. It is always mentioned that the torque falls away after 4500 rpm - what is not mentioned, however, is that the engine tops out at about 5500rpm, rather than the 7500 rpm you might expect from a petrol engine - in other words, the torque is available across most of the rev range. My 525d is only 177bhp, but puts out a max torque figure of 400nm.
2. The straight six diesel engines are very cultured indeed - I had a 320d (four cylinder, 150bhp) before my 525d (a great car/engine but a step back in terms of refinement from the original 1995cc engine (136bhp) that preceded it, which wasn't common rail) - that said, there is some clatter/vibration at idle, but it is muted inside the car (more obvious outside). At cruising speed (50 mph+) it is virtually silent.
3. Up to 1500rpm the engine can feel flat with very little torque on tap - gliding up to a junction or roundabout and then flooring it to nip out in front of oncoming traffic is not advisable unless you are above 1500rpm... however, at about 1800rpm it feels like someone has lit a rocket under the car. However, you soon adapt your driving style (I have a manual transmission, btw, not Steptronic). The 535d, I understand, solves this shortcoming through its dual turbo setup - expect bi-turbos to be the norm within five years imho.
4. I test drove a 525i and a 525d. I bought the 525d - no contest. 525i was virtually silent at idle, but under acceleration it seemed rather rough and strained - not powerful enough for the car basically. Sadly, a 545i was not an option...
5. 25 mpg vs 40mpg (conservative), so around 40% cheaper to run than a 525i. In the UK, that is big bucks over a couple of years. Diesel model is more expensive than petrol variant however.
6. Less carbon dioxide emissions. The trees love me.
Hope that helps some.
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