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10-10-2005, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by donv' date='Oct 10 2005, 10:06 PM
Would you check your link? The site you mention looks very interesting. But, I tried the link and got nowhere special. Thanks.
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10-11-2005, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by heezy545i' date='Oct 11 2005, 02:37 AM
[quote name='donv' date='Oct 10 2005, 10:06 PM']Would you check your link? The site you mention looks very interesting. But, I tried the link and got nowhere special. Thanks.
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[/quote]Thanks much. The link works; I've bookmarked it and will surf around later today.
10-11-2005, 05:56 AM
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What are you guys smoking? the M5 is a terribly fast car.
comparing manufacturer specs is hocus pocus. u should know that. u should also know that comparing magazine times is hocus pocus as well, EXCEPT when they do a head to head at the same time under the same environmental conditions.
if you doubt the speed of the M5, just hop on over to the m5board.com and view videos of it eating up Ferrari 550s, modenas, porsche 996 turbos, lambo gallardos... and then go to the porsche or ferrari boards and read how they give props to the new M5... and THEN go to the benz boards like mbworld.org (like the AMG areas) and read what they have to say about the new M5 (besides how it looks).
after i saw that one video of the M5 literally blowing by the Ferrari 550 once it hit 5th gear... OMG- it left the freakin Maranello like it was standing still!
probably the only car that would eat it up (without costing $300k) would be the new top of the line 'vette and viper. but that's about it.
having a car that can eat up ferraris and porsche turbos in real, situational highway driving is VERY fast. even the new Ferrari F430 has a very, VERY hard time trying to pass the new M5. not just because it accelerates, but also because it handles so well.
and as far as 550i vs. M5? throw out all the magazine and manufacturer specs out the window and just ask yourself this question: will a 550i walk away from a Porsche 996 TURBO or a Ferrari 550 Maranello like the M5 has been shown to do on many amateur video drag races (where the video is between Ferrari/Porsche and M5 board members and posted on both message boards?)? not even close.
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comparing manufacturer specs is hocus pocus. u should know that. u should also know that comparing magazine times is hocus pocus as well, EXCEPT when they do a head to head at the same time under the same environmental conditions.
if you doubt the speed of the M5, just hop on over to the m5board.com and view videos of it eating up Ferrari 550s, modenas, porsche 996 turbos, lambo gallardos... and then go to the porsche or ferrari boards and read how they give props to the new M5... and THEN go to the benz boards like mbworld.org (like the AMG areas) and read what they have to say about the new M5 (besides how it looks).
after i saw that one video of the M5 literally blowing by the Ferrari 550 once it hit 5th gear... OMG- it left the freakin Maranello like it was standing still!
probably the only car that would eat it up (without costing $300k) would be the new top of the line 'vette and viper. but that's about it.
having a car that can eat up ferraris and porsche turbos in real, situational highway driving is VERY fast. even the new Ferrari F430 has a very, VERY hard time trying to pass the new M5. not just because it accelerates, but also because it handles so well.
and as far as 550i vs. M5? throw out all the magazine and manufacturer specs out the window and just ask yourself this question: will a 550i walk away from a Porsche 996 TURBO or a Ferrari 550 Maranello like the M5 has been shown to do on many amateur video drag races (where the video is between Ferrari/Porsche and M5 board members and posted on both message boards?)? not even close.
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10-11-2005, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MMAfia' date='Oct 11 2005, 08:56 AM
What are you guys smoking? the M5 is a terribly fast car.
We all agree. I have been the only one slightly negative on what it is capable of. As indicated, I expect the car to be in the upper 12's (i.e., > 12.5). But, if it is faster, then good.
comparing manufacturer specs is hocus pocus. u should know that. u should also know that comparing magazine times is hocus pocus as well, EXCEPT when they do a head to head at the same time under the same environmental conditions.
Yes, magazine comparisons are good. And, using mag specs not from comparisons can be misleading, although they become more useful when similar results are produced across various mags. Manufacturer specs can be somewhat revealing. The 545i has always beaten BMW specs in the mags. Maybe the M5 will beat the BMW spec of 4.5 to 60.
if you doubt the speed of the M5, just hop on over to the m5board.com and view videos of it eating up Ferrari 550s, modenas, porsche 996 turbos, lambo gallardos... and then go to the porsche or ferrari boards and read how they give props to the new M5... and THEN go to the benz boards like mbworld.org (like the AMG areas) and read what they have to say about the new M5 (besides how it looks).
No time for that. I'll take your word that all the owners/enthusiasts you allude to are very impressed with the M5.
after i saw that one video of the M5 literally blowing by the Ferrari 550 once it hit 5th gear... OMG- it left the freakin Maranello like it was standing still!
probably the only car that would eat it up (without costing $300k) would be the new top of the line 'vette and viper. but that's about it.
I agree. Even the Viper still will come out on top. But, actually the 02-04 Z06 and older Vipers will beat it too--to 60 and in the 1/4, but maybe not from a roll. That's one of the reasons I don't think of the M5 as being exceptionally fast. Still, any car in the 12's obviously is fast. I still expect the E55 AMG to be faster in factory stock form, but, again, maybe not from a roll.
having a car that can eat up ferraris and porsche turbos in real, situational highway driving is VERY fast. even the new Ferrari F430 has a very, VERY hard time trying to pass the new M5. not just because it accelerates, but also because it handles so well.
Right, I was talking only about acceleration.
and as far as 550i vs. M5? throw out all the magazine and manufacturer specs out the window and just ask yourself this question: will a 550i walk away from a Porsche 996 TURBO or a Ferrari 550 Maranello like the M5 has been shown to do on many amateur video drag races (where the video is between Ferrari/Porsche and M5 board members and posted on both message boards?)? not even close.
Hummm. I don't think anyone intimated that the 550i would be a match for the M5, except for my original post where I was thinking 14.7 in the 1/4 (which made absolutely no sense) instead of 4.7 0-60 (or 62). I was doing too many things at the same time--a victim of multitasking. ~{;^)
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We all agree. I have been the only one slightly negative on what it is capable of. As indicated, I expect the car to be in the upper 12's (i.e., > 12.5). But, if it is faster, then good.
comparing manufacturer specs is hocus pocus. u should know that. u should also know that comparing magazine times is hocus pocus as well, EXCEPT when they do a head to head at the same time under the same environmental conditions.
Yes, magazine comparisons are good. And, using mag specs not from comparisons can be misleading, although they become more useful when similar results are produced across various mags. Manufacturer specs can be somewhat revealing. The 545i has always beaten BMW specs in the mags. Maybe the M5 will beat the BMW spec of 4.5 to 60.
if you doubt the speed of the M5, just hop on over to the m5board.com and view videos of it eating up Ferrari 550s, modenas, porsche 996 turbos, lambo gallardos... and then go to the porsche or ferrari boards and read how they give props to the new M5... and THEN go to the benz boards like mbworld.org (like the AMG areas) and read what they have to say about the new M5 (besides how it looks).
No time for that. I'll take your word that all the owners/enthusiasts you allude to are very impressed with the M5.
after i saw that one video of the M5 literally blowing by the Ferrari 550 once it hit 5th gear... OMG- it left the freakin Maranello like it was standing still!
probably the only car that would eat it up (without costing $300k) would be the new top of the line 'vette and viper. but that's about it.
I agree. Even the Viper still will come out on top. But, actually the 02-04 Z06 and older Vipers will beat it too--to 60 and in the 1/4, but maybe not from a roll. That's one of the reasons I don't think of the M5 as being exceptionally fast. Still, any car in the 12's obviously is fast. I still expect the E55 AMG to be faster in factory stock form, but, again, maybe not from a roll.
having a car that can eat up ferraris and porsche turbos in real, situational highway driving is VERY fast. even the new Ferrari F430 has a very, VERY hard time trying to pass the new M5. not just because it accelerates, but also because it handles so well.
Right, I was talking only about acceleration.
and as far as 550i vs. M5? throw out all the magazine and manufacturer specs out the window and just ask yourself this question: will a 550i walk away from a Porsche 996 TURBO or a Ferrari 550 Maranello like the M5 has been shown to do on many amateur video drag races (where the video is between Ferrari/Porsche and M5 board members and posted on both message boards?)? not even close.
Hummm. I don't think anyone intimated that the 550i would be a match for the M5, except for my original post where I was thinking 14.7 in the 1/4 (which made absolutely no sense) instead of 4.7 0-60 (or 62). I was doing too many things at the same time--a victim of multitasking. ~{;^)
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10-11-2005, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by donv' date='Oct 11 2005, 07:59 AM
[quote name='heezy545i' date='Oct 11 2005, 02:37 AM'][quote name='donv' date='Oct 10 2005, 10:06 PM']Would you check your link? The site you mention looks very interesting. But, I tried the link and got nowhere special. Thanks.
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[/quote]Thanks much. The link works; I've bookmarked it and will surf around later today.[snapback]182626[/snapback]
[/quote]I looked briefly at the site. It is very cool, except that the available cars are somewhat limited. What is a BMW M GmbH M5 E60--the car you reported on above? The test was 12/04. And, incidentally, the 911 Turbo (996) was tested in 6/02 and had only the 420 HP engine. Is the GmbH a factory stock M5 that was available in Europe before the US? Below is the complete set of 0 to XX acceleration figues with my conversion to mph following them. I put Porsche's claims for the 444 HP 2006 in parentheses below. These values are the only one's I have been able to find, given where I am, to this point. I think an even more powerful 911 Turbo is available for $150,000 or so, but I am not postitive.0 - 40 Km/h 1,5 s
0 - 60 Km/h 2,3 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,5 s
0 - 100 Km/h 4,5 s
0 - 120 Km/h 5,9 s
0 - 140 Km/h 7,4 s
0 - 160 Km/h 9,2 s
0 - 180 Km/h 11,6 s
0 - 200 Km/h 13,8 s
0 - 25 mph 1,5 s
0 - 37 mph 2,3 s
0 - 50 mph 3,5 s
0 - 62 mph 4,5 s (0-60--4.1)
0 - 75 mph 5,9 s
0 - 87 mph 7,4 s
0 - 99 mph 9,2 s (9.0)
0 - 112 mph 11,6 s
0 - 124 mph 13,8 s
If the M5 is going 115 mph at the end of the 1/4, then crude linear extrapolation implies a slightly conservative et of about 12.2. If this turns out to be true for a stock US M5, then I'll alter my stance and say the the M5 is exceptionally fast--in the neighborhood of the 02-04 Z06 and a number of other cars. Still, Motor Trend estimates 12.6. Note that the 0-62 of 4.5 is the same as BMWs claimed value for 0-60. Edit: Upon arrival home, I found a couple of mags, Bimmer and Performance BMW, that claimed times of 4.6/4.7 for 0 to 62 for the M6/M5, but I imagine they were just quoting BMw.
Below are pics of the BMW M GmbH M5 E60 and the US M5. Are the cars the same? I guess they are.
10-11-2005, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by donv' date='Oct 11 2005, 10:38 AM
[quote name='donv' date='Oct 11 2005, 07:59 AM'][quote name='heezy545i' date='Oct 11 2005, 02:37 AM'][quote name='donv' date='Oct 10 2005, 10:06 PM']Would you check your link? The site you mention looks very interesting. But, I tried the link and got nowhere special. Thanks.
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[/quote]Thanks much. The link works; I've bookmarked it and will surf around later today.[snapback]182626[/snapback]
[/quote]I looked briefly at the site. It is very cool, except that the avaiable cars are somewhat limited. What is a BMW M GmbH M5 E60--the car you reported on above? The test was 12/04. Is this car a factory stock M5 that was available in Europe before the US? Here is the complete set of acceleration figues with my conversion to mph below:0 - 40 Km/h 1,5 s
0 - 60 Km/h 2,3 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,5 s
0 - 100 Km/h 4,5 s
0 - 120 Km/h 5,9 s
0 - 140 Km/h 7,4 s
0 - 160 Km/h 9,2 s
0 - 180 Km/h 11,6 s
0 - 200 Km/h 13,8 s
0 - 25 mph 1,5 s
0 - 37 mph 2,3 s
0 - 50 mph 3,5 s
0 - 62 mph 4,5 s
0 - 75 mph 5,9 s
0 - 87 mph 7,4 s
0 - 99 mph 9,2 s
0 - 112 mph 11,6 s
0 - 124 mph 13,8 s
If the M5 is going 115 mph at the end of the 1/4, then crude linear extrapolation implies a slightly conservative et of about 12.2. If this turns out to be true for a stock US M5, then I'll alter my stance and say the the M5 is exceptionally fast--in the neighborhood of the 02-04 Z06 and a number of other cars. Note that the 0-62 of 4.5 is the same as BMWs claimed value for 0-60.
Below are pics of the BMW M GmbH M5 E60 and the US M5. Are the cars the same? I guess they are.
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[/quote]Donv,
While the appearance may look the same, government regulations (e.g. EPA) from country to country will cause carmakers (like the Ferrari 430) to have different engine tunning. Hence, Euro M5 may perform slightly different from a US M5.
10-11-2005, 08:28 AM
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How about waiting for the 6-speed manual in the M5, AND waiting for the Touring version.
I know it sounds like ruining the sedan by making it a wagon, but the idea of blowing the doors off all those other cars in a station wagon is even sweeter than doing so in a sedan.
Plus it would be a totally useful hauler for a family. Sports car, elegant sedan, and SUV, all rolled into one!
I know it sounds like ruining the sedan by making it a wagon, but the idea of blowing the doors off all those other cars in a station wagon is even sweeter than doing so in a sedan.
Plus it would be a totally useful hauler for a family. Sports car, elegant sedan, and SUV, all rolled into one!
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Originally Posted by tab545' date='Oct 12 2005, 12:28 AM
How about waiting for the 6-speed manual in the M5, AND waiting for the Touring version.
I know it sounds like ruining the sedan by making it a wagon, but the idea of blowing the doors off all those other cars in a station wagon is even sweeter than doing so in a sedan.
Plus it would be a totally useful hauler for a family.? Sports car, elegant sedan, and SUV, all rolled into one!
I know it sounds like ruining the sedan by making it a wagon, but the idea of blowing the doors off all those other cars in a station wagon is even sweeter than doing so in a sedan.
Plus it would be a totally useful hauler for a family.? Sports car, elegant sedan, and SUV, all rolled into one!
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Originally Posted by Bimmer32' date='Oct 11 2005, 11:27 AM
[quote name='donv' date='Oct 11 2005, 10:38 AM'][quote name='donv' date='Oct 11 2005, 07:59 AM'][quote name='heezy545i' date='Oct 11 2005, 02:37 AM'][quote name='donv' date='Oct 10 2005, 10:06 PM']Would you check your link? The site you mention looks very interesting. But, I tried the link and got nowhere special. Thanks.
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[/quote]Thanks much. The link works; I've bookmarked it and will surf around later today.[snapback]182626[/snapback]
[/quote]I looked briefly at the site. It is very cool, except that the avaiable cars are somewhat limited. What is a BMW M GmbH M5 E60--the car you reported on above? The test was 12/04. Is this car a factory stock M5 that was available in Europe before the US? Here is the complete set of acceleration figues with my conversion to mph below:0 - 40 Km/h 1,5 s
0 - 60 Km/h 2,3 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,5 s
0 - 100 Km/h 4,5 s
0 - 120 Km/h 5,9 s
0 - 140 Km/h 7,4 s
0 - 160 Km/h 9,2 s
0 - 180 Km/h 11,6 s
0 - 200 Km/h 13,8 s
0 - 25 mph 1,5 s
0 - 37 mph 2,3 s
0 - 50 mph 3,5 s
0 - 62 mph 4,5 s
0 - 75 mph 5,9 s
0 - 87 mph 7,4 s
0 - 99 mph 9,2 s
0 - 112 mph 11,6 s
0 - 124 mph 13,8 s
If the M5 is going 115 mph at the end of the 1/4, then crude linear extrapolation implies a slightly conservative et of about 12.2. If this turns out to be true for a stock US M5, then I'll alter my stance and say the the M5 is exceptionally fast--in the neighborhood of the 02-04 Z06 and a number of other cars. Note that the 0-62 of 4.5 is the same as BMWs claimed value for 0-60.
Below are pics of the BMW M GmbH M5 E60 and the US M5. Are the cars the same? I guess they are.
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[/quote]Donv,
While the appearance may look the same, government regulations (e.g. EPA) from country to country will cause carmakers (like the Ferrari 430) to have different engine tunning. Hence, Euro M5 may perform slightly different from a US M5.
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[/quote]Thanks my friend. Agreed. The Gmbh M5 claims 507 HP, but I think the difference is because of slightly different HP measurement methods or because BMW just rounds to 500 at least in the US. On the basis of comparisons of published tests of the 545i and BMW's claims for this car, I am betting that the M5 is faster to 60 than 4.5--BMW's claim. We shall see. Oh, and, I added bit more info to the big post your quoted above.
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...for some real world experiences with the M5 vs. some of the fastest cars in the world, including THE fastest production car, the Koenigsegg CC-R, take a little time and read this link from M5board: http://www.m5board.com/articles.php?id=34
Gustav, the admin of M5board, spent a weekend with the beast and wrote up a very informative article, and invited some friends to race whos cars included:
Koenigsegg CC-R
Lamborghini Gallardo...
RUF CTR... (Yellowbird, except blue)
Porsche 996 Turbo Techart... (PV996TT's)
Porsche 997 Carrera S...
BMW M5 E60...
BMW M5 E39...
Dodge Viper SRT10...
MB E55 AMG
MB E55 T AMG...
MB C32 AMG
Audi RS4 Stage 2...
read up and you'll see just how fast the beast trully is in the real world
Gustav, the admin of M5board, spent a weekend with the beast and wrote up a very informative article, and invited some friends to race whos cars included:
Koenigsegg CC-R
Lamborghini Gallardo...
RUF CTR... (Yellowbird, except blue)
Porsche 996 Turbo Techart... (PV996TT's)
Porsche 997 Carrera S...
BMW M5 E60...
BMW M5 E39...
Dodge Viper SRT10...
MB E55 AMG
MB E55 T AMG...
MB C32 AMG
Audi RS4 Stage 2...
read up and you'll see just how fast the beast trully is in the real world