Gasoline is the same, no matter who is selling it?
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Originally Posted by kscarrol' post='439676' date='Jun 25 2007, 05:53 PM
you should make sure that finger is pointed not just my way but Mike's as well no matter how many engines he has seen the inside of. Statements starting with "I think" and "I suspect" are opinions, not facts. And I know he has seen WAY more than me!
And of course your suggestion that perhaps the top tier guys aren't really putting these detergent packages in the gasoline ("Of course, when I put the SI-1 into the tank I know it's there...") smacks of suspicion and opinion.
You are implying out right fraud on the part the oil companies.
Finally you don't repsond to the what I point out about Mike's article, that he basically says the detergent packages in the top-tier gasolines work as advertised. On the pure cost issue, your are spot on! I may have to give some of this SI-1 stuff a try, let us know how it seems to be working for you.
You are implying out right fraud on the part the oil companies.Finally you don't repsond to the what I point out about Mike's article, that he basically says the detergent packages in the top-tier gasolines work as advertised. On the pure cost issue, your are spot on! I may have to give some of this SI-1 stuff a try, let us know how it seems to be working for you.
If you remember some of the long-ago earlier parts of this thread, posters acknowledge that the product is the same as it comes from the distributor...the only difference is the additive package which is put into the truck of "Shell,""Exxon,"or "Fred's" and put in (allegedly) at the distributor's location. How can you determine what's put into the gasoline? You can't...you have to trust Shell, Exxon or (probably not) Fred's to put in the pieces, additive, or whatever that turns "Fred's" into "Top Tier." If you could have a little litmus strip which you could swab around the nozzle (calm down now...) of any service station's pump to reveal the presence or absence of detergent components, you'd be fine...you'd know...you could trust your BMW powerplant to this gasoline. My view is that you know that detergent components are not in Fred's Gas, Fred's costs less, and for about 8-cents per gallon you can insure that the best stuff (Mike Miller knows all:
) is in the gasoline.Now that I/you (more me than you) have turned off a whole bunch of readers, I have to admit that asking Mrs. ExGMan to "just pour three ounces of this stuff into the tank" has resulted in a look of incredulity (we've been married 39 years). I guess all that SI-1 will go into my Toyota Tundra...
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Originally Posted by ExGMan' post='439693' date='Jun 25 2007, 05:50 PM
Now that I/you (more me than you) have turned off a whole bunch of readers, I have to admit that asking Mrs. ExGMan to "just pour three ounces of this stuff into the tank" has resulted in a look of incredulity (we've been married 39 years). I guess all that SI-1 will go into my Toyota Tundra... 

And fjwagner is right to correct me. I only used the term top-tier in my haste to type, all major gasolines, Exxon included, have excellent detergent packages.
And good point on the the Mrs.! Keep us updated on your experience in the Tundra. I've never known anyone who has used one of these products for an extended period.
Originally Posted by fjwagner' post='437866' date='Jun 20 2007, 02:26 PM
I talked to a specialist today with ExxonMobil to get the rationale behind Exxon and Mobil branded gas not being Top Tier. I was told that
1) Exxon and Mobil gas exceed Top Tier requirements
2) EM elected not to participate for internal reaons that include disagreement with the lack of collaboration between the refiners and the car manufacturers.
3) EM could apply today and get acceptance, but Sr. Mgmt recently rejected due to number 2 above.
4) A specific car manufacturer (not BMW) was a big impetus behind the designation due to their own mechanical design flaws with their engines.
Bottom line, Exxon and Mobil gas will give you that warm fuzzy feeling of cleaning your high performance engine.
1) Exxon and Mobil gas exceed Top Tier requirements
2) EM elected not to participate for internal reaons that include disagreement with the lack of collaboration between the refiners and the car manufacturers.
3) EM could apply today and get acceptance, but Sr. Mgmt recently rejected due to number 2 above.
4) A specific car manufacturer (not BMW) was a big impetus behind the designation due to their own mechanical design flaws with their engines.
Bottom line, Exxon and Mobil gas will give you that warm fuzzy feeling of cleaning your high performance engine.
2 > Politics and Bureaucracy, If you do not meet criteria of some org. U cannot participate and you are not in ...period
They can set up their own Standards and name .............
3 > It is arrogance and it is the most profitable oil co. (do less research on alternative fuel than some other oil Co.)
4 >It is not only BMW, but Audi(VW), Honda and Toyota too designated the top tier gas.
BMW has the best engine awards and the most recommended cars under most categories.
Of course it has one of the good gas in the market, but do not meet TOP TIER GAS STDs.
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Originally Posted by aqkhan6us' post='439715' date='Jun 25 2007, 07:03 PM
1 > It does not matter whether U exceed or not......
2 > Politics and Bureaucracy, If you do not meet criteria of some org. U cannot participate and you are not in ...period
They can set up their own Standards and name .............
3 > It is arrogance and it is the most profitable oil co. (do less research on alternative fuel than some other oil Co.)
4 >It is not only BMW, but Audi(VW), Honda and Toyota too designated the top tier gas.
BMW has the best engine awards and the most recommended cars under most categories.
Of course it has one of the good gas in the market, but do not meet TOP TIER GAS STDs.
2 > Politics and Bureaucracy, If you do not meet criteria of some org. U cannot participate and you are not in ...period
They can set up their own Standards and name .............
3 > It is arrogance and it is the most profitable oil co. (do less research on alternative fuel than some other oil Co.)
4 >It is not only BMW, but Audi(VW), Honda and Toyota too designated the top tier gas.
BMW has the best engine awards and the most recommended cars under most categories.
Of course it has one of the good gas in the market, but do not meet TOP TIER GAS STDs.
3) EM does have research on alternative fuels, but the core business is hydrocarbons and will be for quite some time. The infrastructure is such that the world is reliant on hydrocarbons for the foreseeable future. ExxonMobil primary focus for alternative fuels is hydrogen. Corn is not the answer.
4) the car companies listed established a standard that if applied for will ensure acceptance. EM has elected not to apply even though their fuels meet the standards. see item 1.
and your last point, see my responses above. Bottom line, Top Tier is a marketing ploy and should not necessarily be your sole basis for your purchases.
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