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Originally Posted by ats77' post='286413' date='May 23 2006, 02:25 AM
plz post pix guy when done, I luv this idea but should be integrated in the 8,8" alpine tft -oem in Nav car.
ps. is there anyway to bulit in my tomtom 700go somehow? ppl always said
ps. is there anyway to bulit in my tomtom 700go somehow? ppl always said

http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=334&st=3319
Originally Posted by BZSAB' post='286466' date='May 23 2006, 06:50 PM
Ed's House Warming List:
1. Russo - leave the shop to your right hand woman and come!!!
2. lmk (got food! better reply early!)
3. CK (to admire his M6 in new rims thumbsup.gif )
4. bugaboo (count me in)
5. SFL33X
6. Zig (count me too)
7. BZSAB (wont miss a wing flap discussion and of course good food/company)
8. Fireplace (Congrats Ed! Also timely to follow up on the drive up north for Satay lunch)
1. Russo - leave the shop to your right hand woman and come!!!
2. lmk (got food! better reply early!)
3. CK (to admire his M6 in new rims thumbsup.gif )
4. bugaboo (count me in)
5. SFL33X
6. Zig (count me too)
7. BZSAB (wont miss a wing flap discussion and of course good food/company)
8. Fireplace (Congrats Ed! Also timely to follow up on the drive up north for Satay lunch)
Read the following page:
http://www.apani.com/net-news/0506/73
This only confirms what we were discussing only a few weeks ago. LMK mentioned that the Malaysians are already using this technique. Beware.......
http://www.apani.com/net-news/0506/73
This only confirms what we were discussing only a few weeks ago. LMK mentioned that the Malaysians are already using this technique. Beware.......
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Originally Posted by Edlee' post='286612' date='May 23 2006, 12:32 PM
Read the following page:
http://www.apani.com/net-news/0506/73
This only confirms what we were discussing only a few weeks ago. LMK mentioned that the Malaysians are already using this technique. Beware.......
http://www.apani.com/net-news/0506/73
This only confirms what we were discussing only a few weeks ago. LMK mentioned that the Malaysians are already using this technique. Beware.......
In any case, just be careful where you park, where you go at the very least.
Originally Posted by Stranger' post='286750' date='May 24 2006, 08:01 AM
The only difference is it's about keyless entry. I read a similar but more technical article a few weeks back. It has to do with the fact keyless entry keys are "passive" to save battery. So instead the car will broadcast to look for the key. This is the problem as the thief can use a laptop to pose as your key and respond. The way I read it it seems normal remote is "active" in the sense it broadcasts to the car instead. But I am not too sure about this.
In any case, just be careful where you park, where you go at the very least.
In any case, just be careful where you park, where you go at the very least.
technically, both situation posed a danger for All of us. Be it passive or active, a scanner with 8bit or 40 bit or even 128 bit encoded frequencies can unlock or pop our locks.
keyless entry is more prone because everytime the car was unlocked, a new code is being setup. this is to build up millions of combinations, but at the same time, that "new" encrypted coded is broadcasted constantly so that when the passive key is nearby, it generates enough voltage in the transponder to generate the code thus unlokcing the car. it works similar to our ERP or season pass transponder.
The constant braodcasting is the problem, if i have a receiver and a decoder, generate a code in rythmn along with the freq pattern, wait for the correct code to come out, "pop" is what i needed in 10-20 min. per car.
If i am lucky, i can pop 3-4 cars at one go in a car park!
Ed, that is why you need to supply alot of wing flaps!
Originally Posted by Edlee' post='139308' date='Jun 14 2005, 06:40 PM
Whatever it is, something's gotta be sacrificed. Maybe performance, maybe longevity of the engine, could be anything.
Is it really worth the while to do the remap? If it were really that good for the car, wouldn't BMW already have done so? Which manufacturer wouldn't want to boast of optimum engine performance?
I personally would stay away from all this remapping stuff. Yes, mine might be a 545 with 333 bhp, but I wouldn't do so even if I were driving a 520. Its just too risky; especially if it affects the manufacturer's warranty. When push comes to shove, I am definitely 100% sure BMW or PML will find out that the engine's ECU has been tempered with. I am sure they have the know how. Its whether they want to do so. You know what happens when that happens.
Is it really worth the while to do the remap? If it were really that good for the car, wouldn't BMW already have done so? Which manufacturer wouldn't want to boast of optimum engine performance?
I personally would stay away from all this remapping stuff. Yes, mine might be a 545 with 333 bhp, but I wouldn't do so even if I were driving a 520. Its just too risky; especially if it affects the manufacturer's warranty. When push comes to shove, I am definitely 100% sure BMW or PML will find out that the engine's ECU has been tempered with. I am sure they have the know how. Its whether they want to do so. You know what happens when that happens.
I also recently spent $1260 for the Hiop tuning and was keen on the DMS. But not much difference as far as fuel economy (I am averaging 5.5km/l or 18.2l/100km) since Day 1.
What was interesting is the way you see BMW pushing out mid-term models with new engines. Such as the 523 which is the same capacity as the 525 but having such a big difference in bhp (177 vs 218). There is only a 7bhp difference to the old 520 and the cc has to go up by 300, even when it boasted of the new magnesium-aluminium engine. Why?
Simple logic might mean that the 523 was "tuned down" and 525 was "tuned up" to justify the differences in price and performance. Would it then mean that we can do a aftermarket tuning up for the 523 to make it closer to the 525 performance?
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Originally Posted by lmk' post='286785' date='May 23 2006, 08:15 PM
technically, both situation posed a danger for All of us. Be it passive or active, a scanner with 8bit or 40 bit or even 128 bit encoded frequencies can unlock or pop our locks.
keyless entry is more prone because everytime the car was unlocked, a new code is being setup. this is to build up millions of combinations, but at the same time, that "new" encrypted coded is broadcasted constantly so that when the passive key is nearby, it generates enough voltage in the transponder to generate the code thus unlokcing the car. it works similar to our ERP or season pass transponder.
The constant braodcasting is the problem, if i have a receiver and a decoder, generate a code in rythmn along with the freq pattern, wait for the correct code to come out, "pop" is what i needed in 10-20 min. per car.
If i am lucky, i can pop 3-4 cars at one go in a car park!
Ed, that is why you need to supply alot of wing flaps!
keyless entry is more prone because everytime the car was unlocked, a new code is being setup. this is to build up millions of combinations, but at the same time, that "new" encrypted coded is broadcasted constantly so that when the passive key is nearby, it generates enough voltage in the transponder to generate the code thus unlokcing the car. it works similar to our ERP or season pass transponder.
The constant braodcasting is the problem, if i have a receiver and a decoder, generate a code in rythmn along with the freq pattern, wait for the correct code to come out, "pop" is what i needed in 10-20 min. per car.
If i am lucky, i can pop 3-4 cars at one go in a car park!
Ed, that is why you need to supply alot of wing flaps!
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Originally Posted by SFL33X' post='286802' date='May 23 2006, 09:00 PM
Simple logic might mean that the 523 was "tuned down" and 525 was "tuned up" to justify the differences in price and performance. Would it then mean that we can do a aftermarket tuning up for the 523 to make it closer to the 525 performance?
A lot of people are dying to know ...
Originally Posted by Stranger' post='286803' date='May 24 2006, 10:10 AM
Something I still don't understand but I will save it for the next time we meet. Want to understand more; if not I will be paranoid. Kekeke. Perhaps I should ask pml to disable the remote, and revert the old mechanical unlocking. I am absolutely fine with this. 

anyone that goes to "Guang Hua" electronic mart in Taipei can easily find some car lock remotes scanners selling on the shelves there.
Originally Posted by Stranger' post='286804' date='May 24 2006, 10:12 AM
I have been wondering about this also. So far I have read that the intake is different. 523 has a more restrictive intake. I can trace to the part # differences. But does it mean by changing that everything else would be the same with a remap?
A lot of people are dying to know ...
A lot of people are dying to know ...

i believe it is tuned down.
unless i can have 2 cars and put up to this machine and measure.
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