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Hi Rr. Is your car all-wheel drive? There is a difference in AWD and RWD when it comes to DSC/DTC, but I can't remember exactly how the AWD works. As I recall, though, it is as you describe.
See my sign, the car is a 525iA (with a nice 3 inch layer of snow on it now).
All the RWD's only has a DSC buttom an I am pretty sure
that the x-models are alike!
Seasons greeting to you, vnod!
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Sorry Rr. I did not know for sure what the "iA" stands for. Merry, merry.
See my sign, the car is a 525iA (with a nice 3 inch layer of snow on it now).
All the RWD's only has a DSC buttom an I am pretty sure
that the x-models are alike!
Seasons greeting to you, vnod!
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Sorry Rr. I did not know for sure what the "iA" stands for. Merry, merry.
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Originally Posted by Evenflow545' post='215202' date='Dec 24 2005, 10:52 AM
Here's my theory. We all bought the cars at least partially (or mostly) because they're fun to drive. I drive the living shit out of mine from time to time because (besides being darn good business vehicles and/or family sedans) that's what e60s are manufactured to do.
If you want to race it around a track until the tires are bald, go for it. However, I'd prefer to just buy something that was actually designed to be raced around a track, and keep my 545 in the
garage. That being said, if I had access to a track (all the "tracks" in Arkansas are dirt and rock, like most everything else), I'd probably take my 545 for a spin at least once or twice.
And, as a final comment about racing (even though it may be slightly off subject), why cruise around in your e60 trying to race Mustangs, Camaros and Honda Civics outfitted whale tails and fatty pipes? For all those folks that do, please don't tell us about it. It's patently embarrassing.
If you want to race it around a track until the tires are bald, go for it. However, I'd prefer to just buy something that was actually designed to be raced around a track, and keep my 545 in the
garage. That being said, if I had access to a track (all the "tracks" in Arkansas are dirt and rock, like most everything else), I'd probably take my 545 for a spin at least once or twice.
And, as a final comment about racing (even though it may be slightly off subject), why cruise around in your e60 trying to race Mustangs, Camaros and Honda Civics outfitted whale tails and fatty pipes? For all those folks that do, please don't tell us about it. It's patently embarrassing.
The Dolly LLama say one never need be embarassed by what someone else does.
Merry Xmas.
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I stand by my previous statements that a 545 is not suitable and not wise to take onto a track. The car is very heavy and costs a fortune to fix if you wreck it or blow the engine. I am sure that you could mod a 545 to make it do better, but it is a large car, and large cars are not very fun on a typical track in the USA or Canada. The Nurburg Ring may be fun in a 545, but nobody from the USA is going to take their Euro Delivery car out there full tilt, so it is a moot point for us in the USA. And, if you take your Sixt rental 530D out there, they will make you pay for all damages. They may even have spys there now. Those Europeans who take their 5 series out there are most likely driving at 6/10 the car's potential speed not 8/10 or 9/10 like you could in a 911. They are cruising around.
Maybe I am wrong. Do any of you Europeans take your 545's on the ring and go full speed? On the edge for each corner? No worries about who is behind the blind corner? A downed Motorcycle, a stalled mini van full of people? On a closed track, on a real track day, you have flag people. You attack each corner with almost full confindence that nothing bad is around the blind corner because you are looking at the flagger and they do not allow buses on the track. You do not have that on the ring for open days and I highly doubt that anybody, besides Sebine, takes a 5er full speed around that track.
I already stated that I have a 545 and it is the best car that I ever had. I love it.
I had a 1989 911 and now have a 1992 911 C2. Those 911's, stock, will scream around any track. For very little money the suspension and tires can be upgraded for even better performance. My 545 would pass the 911's on a track if there was a 3 or 4 mile long straight. If not, forget it...
The 911 can be totalled and it would suck, but not as bad as wrecking a new 545. A used, older Porsche is a fraction of what a 545 costs. If you cannot afford a used beater, chances are you cannnot afford to wreck your 545. Be careful!!!
I have watched 545's and 7 series wallow around the track. Not good. Older 3 series and M3's do better, as do Subaru WRX (even the cheap ones) and also the Neon Turbos or Miatas. Of course they are not race cars, but the are much more suitable for the track than a powerful 4000 lb sedan.
I doubt that the engineers at BMW ever considered, even for a second, that people would take 545's on the track. That said, if I had to drive from Cologne to Munich often, and could take any car ever made, it would probably be a 545 or 535d. The m5 is a different story, but even that car is more of a GT than a track car.
Last summer we drove out to Vegas from Detroit and I got a chance to really open up the car on the wide open 2 lane roads in Wyoming, in many cases exceeding 130 MPH for short distances. The 545 was brilliant. That is what it is made for, not a short, American style road course with more corners than straights.
I am not a racer, but have been to 3 different tracks for 4 PCA Drivers Ed meets. No doubt, I am still a novice; just offering my opinion based on my observations. No offense to anybody and I am not trying to put anybody down here as I am certainly not the authority on cars or driving. Just trying to point out a few things that I have observed. Happy Holidays.
Maybe I am wrong. Do any of you Europeans take your 545's on the ring and go full speed? On the edge for each corner? No worries about who is behind the blind corner? A downed Motorcycle, a stalled mini van full of people? On a closed track, on a real track day, you have flag people. You attack each corner with almost full confindence that nothing bad is around the blind corner because you are looking at the flagger and they do not allow buses on the track. You do not have that on the ring for open days and I highly doubt that anybody, besides Sebine, takes a 5er full speed around that track.
I already stated that I have a 545 and it is the best car that I ever had. I love it.
I had a 1989 911 and now have a 1992 911 C2. Those 911's, stock, will scream around any track. For very little money the suspension and tires can be upgraded for even better performance. My 545 would pass the 911's on a track if there was a 3 or 4 mile long straight. If not, forget it...
The 911 can be totalled and it would suck, but not as bad as wrecking a new 545. A used, older Porsche is a fraction of what a 545 costs. If you cannot afford a used beater, chances are you cannnot afford to wreck your 545. Be careful!!!
I have watched 545's and 7 series wallow around the track. Not good. Older 3 series and M3's do better, as do Subaru WRX (even the cheap ones) and also the Neon Turbos or Miatas. Of course they are not race cars, but the are much more suitable for the track than a powerful 4000 lb sedan.
I doubt that the engineers at BMW ever considered, even for a second, that people would take 545's on the track. That said, if I had to drive from Cologne to Munich often, and could take any car ever made, it would probably be a 545 or 535d. The m5 is a different story, but even that car is more of a GT than a track car.
Last summer we drove out to Vegas from Detroit and I got a chance to really open up the car on the wide open 2 lane roads in Wyoming, in many cases exceeding 130 MPH for short distances. The 545 was brilliant. That is what it is made for, not a short, American style road course with more corners than straights.
I am not a racer, but have been to 3 different tracks for 4 PCA Drivers Ed meets. No doubt, I am still a novice; just offering my opinion based on my observations. No offense to anybody and I am not trying to put anybody down here as I am certainly not the authority on cars or driving. Just trying to point out a few things that I have observed. Happy Holidays.
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Originally Posted by doug751' post='215295' date='Dec 24 2005, 02:48 PM
I stand by my previous statements that a 545 is not suitable and not wise to take onto a track. The car is very heavy and costs a fortune to fix if you wreck it or blow the engine. I am sure that you could mod a 545 to make it do better, but it is a large car, and large cars are not very fun on a typical track in the USA or Canada. The Nurburg Ring may be fun in a 545, but nobody from the USA is going to take their Euro Delivery car out there full tilt, so it is a moot point for us in the USA. And, if you take your Sixt rental 530D out there, they will make you pay for all damages. They may even have spys there now. Those Europeans who take their 5 series out there are most likely driving at 6/10 the car's potential speed not 8/10 or 9/10 like you could in a 911. They are cruising around.
Maybe I am wrong. Do any of you Europeans take your 545's on the ring and go full speed? On the edge for each corner? No worries about who is behind the blind corner? A downed Motorcycle, a stalled mini van full of people? On a closed track, on a real track day, you have flag people. You attack each corner with almost full confindence that nothing bad is around the blind corner because you are looking at the flagger and they do not allow buses on the track. You do not have that on the ring for open days and I highly doubt that anybody, besides Sebine, takes a 5er full speed around that track.
I already stated that I have a 545 and it is the best car that I ever had. I love it.
I had a 1989 911 and now have a 1992 911 C2. Those 911's, stock, will scream around any track. For very little money the suspension and tires can be upgraded for even better performance. My 545 would pass the 911's on a track if there was a 3 or 4 mile long straight. If not, forget it...
The 911 can be totalled and it would suck, but not as bad as wrecking a new 545. A used, older Porsche is a fraction of what a 545 costs. If you cannot afford a used beater, chances are you cannnot afford to wreck your 545. Be careful!!!
I have watched 545's and 7 series wallow around the track. Not good. Older 3 series and M3's do better, as do Subaru WRX (even the cheap ones) and also the Neon Turbos or Miatas. Of course they are not race cars, but the are much more suitable for the track than a powerful 4000 lb sedan.
I doubt that the engineers at BMW ever considered, even for a second, that people would take 545's on the track. That said, if I had to drive from Cologne to Munich often, and could take any car ever made, it would probably be a 545 or 535d. The m5 is a different story, but even that car is more of a GT than a track car.
Last summer we drove out to Vegas from Detroit and I got a chance to really open up the car on the wide open 2 lane roads in Wyoming, in many cases exceeding 130 MPH for short distances. The 545 was brilliant. That is what it is made for, not a short, American style road course with more corners than straights.
I am not a racer, but have been to 3 different tracks for 4 PCA Drivers Ed meets. No doubt, I am still a novice; just offering my opinion based on my observations. No offense to anybody and I am not trying to put anybody down here as I am certainly not the authority on cars or driving. Just trying to point out a few things that I have observed. Happy Holidays.
Maybe I am wrong. Do any of you Europeans take your 545's on the ring and go full speed? On the edge for each corner? No worries about who is behind the blind corner? A downed Motorcycle, a stalled mini van full of people? On a closed track, on a real track day, you have flag people. You attack each corner with almost full confindence that nothing bad is around the blind corner because you are looking at the flagger and they do not allow buses on the track. You do not have that on the ring for open days and I highly doubt that anybody, besides Sebine, takes a 5er full speed around that track.
I already stated that I have a 545 and it is the best car that I ever had. I love it.
I had a 1989 911 and now have a 1992 911 C2. Those 911's, stock, will scream around any track. For very little money the suspension and tires can be upgraded for even better performance. My 545 would pass the 911's on a track if there was a 3 or 4 mile long straight. If not, forget it...
The 911 can be totalled and it would suck, but not as bad as wrecking a new 545. A used, older Porsche is a fraction of what a 545 costs. If you cannot afford a used beater, chances are you cannnot afford to wreck your 545. Be careful!!!
I have watched 545's and 7 series wallow around the track. Not good. Older 3 series and M3's do better, as do Subaru WRX (even the cheap ones) and also the Neon Turbos or Miatas. Of course they are not race cars, but the are much more suitable for the track than a powerful 4000 lb sedan.
I doubt that the engineers at BMW ever considered, even for a second, that people would take 545's on the track. That said, if I had to drive from Cologne to Munich often, and could take any car ever made, it would probably be a 545 or 535d. The m5 is a different story, but even that car is more of a GT than a track car.
Last summer we drove out to Vegas from Detroit and I got a chance to really open up the car on the wide open 2 lane roads in Wyoming, in many cases exceeding 130 MPH for short distances. The 545 was brilliant. That is what it is made for, not a short, American style road course with more corners than straights.
I am not a racer, but have been to 3 different tracks for 4 PCA Drivers Ed meets. No doubt, I am still a novice; just offering my opinion based on my observations. No offense to anybody and I am not trying to put anybody down here as I am certainly not the authority on cars or driving. Just trying to point out a few things that I have observed. Happy Holidays.
So, I am left with what the Dolly LLama says about race cars--the car one races is his or her race car. And Fahn Wangio maintains consistently that some cars are, in concept, better race cars than others. I think that if we agree on these ideas, then the debate about whether the 545i is, or is not, a race car goes away. Additionally, if we agree on these ideas, then we can get on with talking about the really important things--e.g., which of two cars is the better race car.
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Originally Posted by Evenflow545' post='215323' date='Dec 24 2005, 03:20 PM
I bet if the Dali Lama raced a Camaro in an e60, and then thought about it later, he'd think: "Man, I'm a great big, happy assclown."
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I stand by my previous statements that a 545 is not suitable and not wise to take onto a track. The car is very heavy and costs a fortune to fix if you wreck it or blow the engine. I am sure that you could mod a 545 to make it do better, but it is a large car, and large cars are not very fun on a typical track in the USA or Canada. The Nurburg Ring may be fun in a 545, but nobody from the USA is going to take their Euro Delivery car out there full tilt, so it is a moot point for us in the USA. And, if you take your Sixt rental 530D out there, they will make you pay for all damages. They may even have spys there now. Those Europeans who take their 5 series out there are most likely driving at 6/10 the car's potential speed not 8/10 or 9/10 like you could in a 911. They are cruising around.
Maybe I am wrong. Do any of you Europeans take your 545's on the ring and go full speed? On the edge for each corner? No worries about who is behind the blind corner? A downed Motorcycle, a stalled mini van full of people? On a closed track, on a real track day, you have flag people. You attack each corner with almost full confindence that nothing bad is around the blind corner because you are looking at the flagger and they do not allow buses on the track. You do not have that on the ring for open days and I highly doubt that anybody, besides Sebine, takes a 5er full speed around that track.
I already stated that I have a 545 and it is the best car that I ever had. I love it.
I had a 1989 911 and now have a 1992 911 C2. Those 911's, stock, will scream around any track. For very little money the suspension and tires can be upgraded for even better performance. My 545 would pass the 911's on a track if there was a 3 or 4 mile long straight. If not, forget it...
The 911 can be totalled and it would suck, but not as bad as wrecking a new 545. A used, older Porsche is a fraction of what a 545 costs. If you cannot afford a used beater, chances are you cannnot afford to wreck your 545. Be careful!!!
I have watched 545's and 7 series wallow around the track. Not good. Older 3 series and M3's do better, as do Subaru WRX (even the cheap ones) and also the Neon Turbos or Miatas. Of course they are not race cars, but the are much more suitable for the track than a powerful 4000 lb sedan.
I doubt that the engineers at BMW ever considered, even for a second, that people would take 545's on the track. That said, if I had to drive from Cologne to Munich often, and could take any car ever made, it would probably be a 545 or 535d. The m5 is a different story, but even that car is more of a GT than a track car.
Last summer we drove out to Vegas from Detroit and I got a chance to really open up the car on the wide open 2 lane roads in Wyoming, in many cases exceeding 130 MPH for short distances. The 545 was brilliant. That is what it is made for, not a short, American style road course with more corners than straights.
I am not a racer, but have been to 3 different tracks for 4 PCA Drivers Ed meets. No doubt, I am still a novice; just offering my opinion based on my observations. No offense to anybody and I am not trying to put anybody down here as I am certainly not the authority on cars or driving. Just trying to point out a few things that I have observed. Happy Holidays.
Maybe I am wrong. Do any of you Europeans take your 545's on the ring and go full speed? On the edge for each corner? No worries about who is behind the blind corner? A downed Motorcycle, a stalled mini van full of people? On a closed track, on a real track day, you have flag people. You attack each corner with almost full confindence that nothing bad is around the blind corner because you are looking at the flagger and they do not allow buses on the track. You do not have that on the ring for open days and I highly doubt that anybody, besides Sebine, takes a 5er full speed around that track.
I already stated that I have a 545 and it is the best car that I ever had. I love it.
I had a 1989 911 and now have a 1992 911 C2. Those 911's, stock, will scream around any track. For very little money the suspension and tires can be upgraded for even better performance. My 545 would pass the 911's on a track if there was a 3 or 4 mile long straight. If not, forget it...
The 911 can be totalled and it would suck, but not as bad as wrecking a new 545. A used, older Porsche is a fraction of what a 545 costs. If you cannot afford a used beater, chances are you cannnot afford to wreck your 545. Be careful!!!
I have watched 545's and 7 series wallow around the track. Not good. Older 3 series and M3's do better, as do Subaru WRX (even the cheap ones) and also the Neon Turbos or Miatas. Of course they are not race cars, but the are much more suitable for the track than a powerful 4000 lb sedan.
I doubt that the engineers at BMW ever considered, even for a second, that people would take 545's on the track. That said, if I had to drive from Cologne to Munich often, and could take any car ever made, it would probably be a 545 or 535d. The m5 is a different story, but even that car is more of a GT than a track car.
Last summer we drove out to Vegas from Detroit and I got a chance to really open up the car on the wide open 2 lane roads in Wyoming, in many cases exceeding 130 MPH for short distances. The 545 was brilliant. That is what it is made for, not a short, American style road course with more corners than straights.
I am not a racer, but have been to 3 different tracks for 4 PCA Drivers Ed meets. No doubt, I am still a novice; just offering my opinion based on my observations. No offense to anybody and I am not trying to put anybody down here as I am certainly not the authority on cars or driving. Just trying to point out a few things that I have observed. Happy Holidays.
So, I am left with what the Dolly LLama says about race cars--the car one races is his or her race car. And Fahn Wangio maintains consistently that some cars are, in concept, better race cars than others. I think that if we agree on these ideas, then the debate about whether the 545i is, or is not, a race car goes away. Additionally, if we agree on these ideas, then we can get on with talking about the really important things--e.g., which of two cars is the better race car.
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Well said!
Just out of curiousity if you had the money but not multi-bilionear just about to afford a let's say a 911 gt3 would you take it quite often and race it round a track? This is suppose to be your dream car and you could hardly afford another one without compromising other vital funds. Again just curious.
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Originally Posted by vnod' post='215308' date='Dec 24 2005, 03:22 PM
[quote name='doug751' post='215295' date='Dec 24 2005, 02:48 PM']
I stand by my previous statements that a 545 is not suitable and not wise to take onto a track. The car is very heavy and costs a fortune to fix if you wreck it or blow the engine. I am sure that you could mod a 545 to make it do better, but it is a large car, and large cars are not very fun on a typical track in the USA or Canada. The Nurburg Ring may be fun in a 545, but nobody from the USA is going to take their Euro Delivery car out there full tilt, so it is a moot point for us in the USA. And, if you take your Sixt rental 530D out there, they will make you pay for all damages. They may even have spys there now. Those Europeans who take their 5 series out there are most likely driving at 6/10 the car's potential speed not 8/10 or 9/10 like you could in a 911. They are cruising around.
Maybe I am wrong. Do any of you Europeans take your 545's on the ring and go full speed? On the edge for each corner? No worries about who is behind the blind corner? A downed Motorcycle, a stalled mini van full of people? On a closed track, on a real track day, you have flag people. You attack each corner with almost full confindence that nothing bad is around the blind corner because you are looking at the flagger and they do not allow buses on the track. You do not have that on the ring for open days and I highly doubt that anybody, besides Sebine, takes a 5er full speed around that track.
I already stated that I have a 545 and it is the best car that I ever had. I love it.
I had a 1989 911 and now have a 1992 911 C2. Those 911's, stock, will scream around any track. For very little money the suspension and tires can be upgraded for even better performance. My 545 would pass the 911's on a track if there was a 3 or 4 mile long straight. If not, forget it...
The 911 can be totalled and it would suck, but not as bad as wrecking a new 545. A used, older Porsche is a fraction of what a 545 costs. If you cannot afford a used beater, chances are you cannnot afford to wreck your 545. Be careful!!!
I have watched 545's and 7 series wallow around the track. Not good. Older 3 series and M3's do better, as do Subaru WRX (even the cheap ones) and also the Neon Turbos or Miatas. Of course they are not race cars, but the are much more suitable for the track than a powerful 4000 lb sedan.
I doubt that the engineers at BMW ever considered, even for a second, that people would take 545's on the track. That said, if I had to drive from Cologne to Munich often, and could take any car ever made, it would probably be a 545 or 535d. The m5 is a different story, but even that car is more of a GT than a track car.
Last summer we drove out to Vegas from Detroit and I got a chance to really open up the car on the wide open 2 lane roads in Wyoming, in many cases exceeding 130 MPH for short distances. The 545 was brilliant. That is what it is made for, not a short, American style road course with more corners than straights.
I am not a racer, but have been to 3 different tracks for 4 PCA Drivers Ed meets. No doubt, I am still a novice; just offering my opinion based on my observations. No offense to anybody and I am not trying to put anybody down here as I am certainly not the authority on cars or driving. Just trying to point out a few things that I have observed. Happy Holidays.
I stand by my previous statements that a 545 is not suitable and not wise to take onto a track. The car is very heavy and costs a fortune to fix if you wreck it or blow the engine. I am sure that you could mod a 545 to make it do better, but it is a large car, and large cars are not very fun on a typical track in the USA or Canada. The Nurburg Ring may be fun in a 545, but nobody from the USA is going to take their Euro Delivery car out there full tilt, so it is a moot point for us in the USA. And, if you take your Sixt rental 530D out there, they will make you pay for all damages. They may even have spys there now. Those Europeans who take their 5 series out there are most likely driving at 6/10 the car's potential speed not 8/10 or 9/10 like you could in a 911. They are cruising around.
Maybe I am wrong. Do any of you Europeans take your 545's on the ring and go full speed? On the edge for each corner? No worries about who is behind the blind corner? A downed Motorcycle, a stalled mini van full of people? On a closed track, on a real track day, you have flag people. You attack each corner with almost full confindence that nothing bad is around the blind corner because you are looking at the flagger and they do not allow buses on the track. You do not have that on the ring for open days and I highly doubt that anybody, besides Sebine, takes a 5er full speed around that track.
I already stated that I have a 545 and it is the best car that I ever had. I love it.
I had a 1989 911 and now have a 1992 911 C2. Those 911's, stock, will scream around any track. For very little money the suspension and tires can be upgraded for even better performance. My 545 would pass the 911's on a track if there was a 3 or 4 mile long straight. If not, forget it...
The 911 can be totalled and it would suck, but not as bad as wrecking a new 545. A used, older Porsche is a fraction of what a 545 costs. If you cannot afford a used beater, chances are you cannnot afford to wreck your 545. Be careful!!!
I have watched 545's and 7 series wallow around the track. Not good. Older 3 series and M3's do better, as do Subaru WRX (even the cheap ones) and also the Neon Turbos or Miatas. Of course they are not race cars, but the are much more suitable for the track than a powerful 4000 lb sedan.
I doubt that the engineers at BMW ever considered, even for a second, that people would take 545's on the track. That said, if I had to drive from Cologne to Munich often, and could take any car ever made, it would probably be a 545 or 535d. The m5 is a different story, but even that car is more of a GT than a track car.
Last summer we drove out to Vegas from Detroit and I got a chance to really open up the car on the wide open 2 lane roads in Wyoming, in many cases exceeding 130 MPH for short distances. The 545 was brilliant. That is what it is made for, not a short, American style road course with more corners than straights.
I am not a racer, but have been to 3 different tracks for 4 PCA Drivers Ed meets. No doubt, I am still a novice; just offering my opinion based on my observations. No offense to anybody and I am not trying to put anybody down here as I am certainly not the authority on cars or driving. Just trying to point out a few things that I have observed. Happy Holidays.
So, I am left with what the Dolly LLama says about race cars--the car one races is his or her race car. And Fahn Wangio maintains consistently that some cars are, in concept, better race cars than others. I think that if we agree on these ideas, then the debate about whether the 545i is, or is not, a race car goes away. Additionally, if we agree on these ideas, then we can get on with talking about the really important things--e.g., which of two cars is the better race car.
Just out of curiousity if you had the money but not multi-bilionear just about to afford a let's say a 911 gt3 would you take it quite often and race it round a track? This is suppose to be your dream car and you could hardly afford another one without compromising other vital funds. Again just curious.
[/quote]No, I would not do it for essentially the same reason that I would not take my 545i on the track. I would not want to mess it up. And, I would not want to pay for the repair. And, I should note that I am not the best driver on the track. The GT3 would be way over my head. I'd either crash or fail to get out of the car any where near what it offers. Either way it would be pointless for me to have such a car on a track. It would make more sense for me to take my 545i out.
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I agree with doug751 to the point that a smaller, lighter car would be more suited to the track and overall more fun to drive. Although I disagree as a 545, though bigger than a comparable "track" car is very much fun to drive on a twisty canyon road.
I went on a canyon run where I was third in line behind an e46 m3 and a e36 m3. The run consisted of tight hairpins/switchbacks and many 2nd corners, with the back end consistently coming out regardless of whether dsc was on or off. I'm far from the best driver, but the three of us, including myself in a boat of a 545i, left the rest of the pack quite aways back. About a month later, I followed the same two cars along the same canyon roads, but this time I followed in a competition package e46m3. The second time around, I may have been faster, especially in the tighter stuff, but the fun factor remained equally high regardless of the car.
The two in front of me where quite surprised when I kept up in the e60, which makes it all the more fun. The fact is, a sports package equipped e60 with active steering makes the car feel much smaller than it is.
I went on a canyon run where I was third in line behind an e46 m3 and a e36 m3. The run consisted of tight hairpins/switchbacks and many 2nd corners, with the back end consistently coming out regardless of whether dsc was on or off. I'm far from the best driver, but the three of us, including myself in a boat of a 545i, left the rest of the pack quite aways back. About a month later, I followed the same two cars along the same canyon roads, but this time I followed in a competition package e46m3. The second time around, I may have been faster, especially in the tighter stuff, but the fun factor remained equally high regardless of the car.
The two in front of me where quite surprised when I kept up in the e60, which makes it all the more fun. The fact is, a sports package equipped e60 with active steering makes the car feel much smaller than it is.