cnt decide 535i or 550i??
03-15-2011, 08:48 AM
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Thanks for the copy and paste, I'll break it down for you... again.
For $10,000 you get .5" wider wheels, PDC, leather vs. leatherette, folding mirrors, dimming rear-view mirror, & garage door opener. The Premium package side bolsters are already standard in the 535i. Again, I've never seen a 535i w/o the Premium package, so that leaves the PDC, .5" wider wheels and the thirsty v8.
The sport package stuff is another ~$2,000 more in addition to $10,000 premium you are paying.
Before the twin-turbo 535i, the v8 5-series cars always maintained a much larger performance advantage over the other cars in the line-up. Multiple reviews questioned the obvious redundancy of the 550i after the twin-turbo 535i was released, BMW responded with twin-turbo 550i in the new F10 and order has since been reestablished.
For $10,000 you get .5" wider wheels, PDC, leather vs. leatherette, folding mirrors, dimming rear-view mirror, & garage door opener. The Premium package side bolsters are already standard in the 535i. Again, I've never seen a 535i w/o the Premium package, so that leaves the PDC, .5" wider wheels and the thirsty v8.
The sport package stuff is another ~$2,000 more in addition to $10,000 premium you are paying.
Before the twin-turbo 535i, the v8 5-series cars always maintained a much larger performance advantage over the other cars in the line-up. Multiple reviews questioned the obvious redundancy of the 550i after the twin-turbo 535i was released, BMW responded with twin-turbo 550i in the new F10 and order has since been reestablished.
And I'm not just talking because I have the 550i, my e39 was a 528i, but I didn't go around saying hey, if I do this that and the other, I'll have an equal or faster car than a 540i and that's what makes the 528i better than a 540i. Iv'e seen people drop a SC in a e39 525i, but we're talking about the general population.
If you never saw a 535i w/o the premium package, all the means is y'all are paying for as an option, something that comes standard on the 550i. Simple. I never said you couldn't get these things, I'm saying that they're all standard on the 550i and optional on the 535i. That is where the $$$ difference is going (some of it).
Once again, out of the box 550i>535i.
03-15-2011, 09:06 AM
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Motor trend. 08 550i 6 speed manual went 13.30 at 105.1 with a 6 speed manual. An auto was never tested and if you know anything about the manual bmw's they consistantly trap 1-2mph slower than their auto counterparts thanks to the clutch delay valve. So lets be conservative and say an auto will trap 106 (and probably et .2-.3 quicker but we wont go there). Again I have never seen an 535i do better than 13.8 at 101-102 mph. That is a beating at the drag strip.
Stage 1 is me just speaking in general terms. Stage 1, 2, Jb3/4...whatever were talking. My point is most beginning stages only bump hp by 30hp or so, correct? 30 hp will not make up a half a sec plus or 4/5mph in the quarter. A stage '2' or whatever would be needed. I may be wrong but this is what ive gathered in passing when researching without spending much time on the tunes for the 535i.
Its obvious why the 535i is more nimble, I understand that. Curb weight. But the discussion I chimed in on originally was the 'faster' of the 2 cars out of the box.
Btw, love the near 140mph trap out of the box with your CBR. Liter bikes are nasty.
Stage 1 is me just speaking in general terms. Stage 1, 2, Jb3/4...whatever were talking. My point is most beginning stages only bump hp by 30hp or so, correct? 30 hp will not make up a half a sec plus or 4/5mph in the quarter. A stage '2' or whatever would be needed. I may be wrong but this is what ive gathered in passing when researching without spending much time on the tunes for the 535i.
Its obvious why the 535i is more nimble, I understand that. Curb weight. But the discussion I chimed in on originally was the 'faster' of the 2 cars out of the box.
Btw, love the near 140mph trap out of the box with your CBR. Liter bikes are nasty.
The ~$200 jb+ adds around 50hp/ 60tq at the default setting & 67hp/ 63 tq at max setting.
The ~$400 jb3/4 adds 80hp to the wheels (100hp crank) w/ a stock car, w/ dp's & intake it can be cranked up to 180hp to the wheels (215hp crank).
03-15-2011, 09:17 AM
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You asked and I answered, yep, it's a copy and paste, but also facts. Truth is, anyone who thinks that out of the box, a 535i is a better car than a 550i is just in denial. Because I'm POSITIVE, if you were offered both models for the same price you wouldn't hesitate to roll with the 550i. So ima let y'all carry on telling me why the 535i is better.
And I'm not just talking because I have the 550i, my e39 was a 528i, but I didn't go around saying hey, if I do this that and the other, I'll have an equal or faster car than a 540i and that's what makes the 528i better than a 540i. Iv'e seen people drop a SC in a e39 525i, but we're talking about the general population.
If you never saw a 535i w/o the premium package, all the means is y'all are paying for as an option, something that comes standard on the 550i. Simple. I never said you couldn't get these things, I'm saying that they're all standard on the 550i and optional on the 535i. That is where the $$$ difference is going (some of it).
Once again, out of the box 550i>535i.
And I'm not just talking because I have the 550i, my e39 was a 528i, but I didn't go around saying hey, if I do this that and the other, I'll have an equal or faster car than a 540i and that's what makes the 528i better than a 540i. Iv'e seen people drop a SC in a e39 525i, but we're talking about the general population.
If you never saw a 535i w/o the premium package, all the means is y'all are paying for as an option, something that comes standard on the 550i. Simple. I never said you couldn't get these things, I'm saying that they're all standard on the 550i and optional on the 535i. That is where the $$$ difference is going (some of it).
Once again, out of the box 550i>535i.
The only reason a tune is even being mentioned is that with the twin-turbo engine it only takes a couple hundred bucks to surpass the 550i in performance while maintaining the several hundred pound weight advantage and much better gas mileage.
03-15-2011, 09:23 AM
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why is everyone fighting lol 
they are both great cars there BMW lol but it just depends on what you want, a NA engine or a turbo IMO I like the NA engines more I had supercharged and turbo they are nice but nothing beats a NA engine for me.. that being said ita all a matter of timing in life and situations around you... im pretty sure with the problems in the east with gas going up people would think twice about an m5 or lambo but if they are rich enough to buy it then they wouldnt really care would they?
they are both great cars there BMW lol but it just depends on what you want, a NA engine or a turbo IMO I like the NA engines more I had supercharged and turbo they are nice but nothing beats a NA engine for me.. that being said ita all a matter of timing in life and situations around you... im pretty sure with the problems in the east with gas going up people would think twice about an m5 or lambo but if they are rich enough to buy it then they wouldnt really care would they?
03-15-2011, 09:30 AM
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As I've stated before you are correct that stock-for-stock 550i>535i, but the question is, how much better? Car & Driver shows the 550i at 13.7/ 104 mph and the 535i at 13.8/ 102 mph. The 550i also has no hpfp to worry about. Of course it is also $10,000 more, several hundred pounds heavier, and gives much lower gas mileage. The Premium package is around $2k, so if you feel comfortable paying $8k for the V8, PDC and .5" wider wheels you have that option.
The only reason a tune is even being mentioned is that with the twin-turbo engine it only takes a couple hundred bucks to surpass the 550i in performance while maintaining the several hundred pound weight advantage and much better gas mileage.
The only reason a tune is even being mentioned is that with the twin-turbo engine it only takes a couple hundred bucks to surpass the 550i in performance while maintaining the several hundred pound weight advantage and much better gas mileage.
03-15-2011, 09:34 AM
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Car & Driver testing using both with an automatic shows the 550i at 13.7/ 104 mph and the 535i at 13.8/ 102 mph.
The ~$200 jb+ adds around 50hp/ 60tq at the default setting & 67hp/ 63 tq at max setting.
The ~$400 jb3/4 adds 80hp to the wheels (100hp crank) w/ a stock car, w/ dp's & intake it can be cranked up to 180hp to the wheels (215hp crank).
The ~$200 jb+ adds around 50hp/ 60tq at the default setting & 67hp/ 63 tq at max setting.
The ~$400 jb3/4 adds 80hp to the wheels (100hp crank) w/ a stock car, w/ dp's & intake it can be cranked up to 180hp to the wheels (215hp crank).
03-15-2011, 09:34 AM
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03-15-2011, 09:39 AM
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Well I guess we can just agree to disagree on how much faster the 550i is stock. Truth is I kind of paid attention to the 535i when it first became avalable and I briefly paid attention to the early mods that were available. I just completely ignored them the past few years because of the hpfp issues that seemed to come up time and time again. So I concentrated on the V8 cars because I came from that world growing up anyway. But Im an enthusiast at heart and for $200 50hp/60tq is the best bang for the dollar you can get. I very well could be upgrading in the next 6 months or so and moving to an automatic car and have had my eye on an LCI 550i with the sport auto. Id be very curious as to how the modded 535i's are holding up with 50-60k miles out of warranty now.
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03-23-2011, 11:17 PM
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I've put over 50k miles on my tuned 335i and 535i (tuned both after only 1k miles on odometer), and I drive 'em like I stole 'em most of the time. The two things I haven't had to worry about so far are (1) HPFP issues, and (2) getting beat by a 550i.
Again, go 550i if neither one of these two facts are of significant concern. Otherwise, 535i.
Again, go 550i if neither one of these two facts are of significant concern. Otherwise, 535i.
03-24-2011, 12:05 PM
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Well I chose my 550i partly because it had the full on, everything included package, even down to the black anthracite headliner, dakota leather, M-Tech kit, sport pkg w paddles, 19's, comfort access, bluetooth, L7, sat radio, HD radio, ipod w/usb, 20 way seats, lane departure... the works. Most 550's I looked at were loaded that way. 535's were harder to find completely fully loaded, there was always something missing. So like I said, engine power isn't the only variable here.