CIP and SW version explanations - my "theory" :)
01-14-2005, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by urbo73' date='Jan 14 2005, 04:50 AM
? In other words, hypothetically speaking (since I don't know for sure yet from my mechanic) CIP 15.0, 15.1, and
? 15.2 when released may still have the same E060-04-09-555 package. The E90 or E65 package(s) may
? have changed however, which is why there is a new CIP release. But the E60 may not. It depends.
? 15.2 when released may still have the same E060-04-09-555 package. The E90 or E65 package(s) may
? have changed however, which is why there is a new CIP release. But the E60 may not. It depends.
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See right here... then 15.3 might have changed the software for E60 but the E65 might not have changed... no?
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Originally Posted by EBMCS03' date='Jan 15 2005, 05:08 AM
Right I understand what both of you are saying... but it doesnt matter which way you want to call it... if people say they are using CIP 15.x then you KNOW that its referring to E060-04-09-555 since thats the only software version that comes with 15.x so essentially 15.x is the same definition as E060-04-09-555 Its like saying E060-04-09-555 is chocolate and CIP v15.x is a box of chocolate. if someone tells you they have a box of chocolate then obviously they have chocolate since chocolate is inside the box.
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And saying E060-04-09-555 creates confusion, since even the BMW guys are talking about it as version 15.xx. And a lot of ppl then start asking WTF does it mean... confusion...
And it's longer to type...
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Originally Posted by Iceman' date='Jan 14 2005, 08:11 PM
[quote name='EBMCS03' date='Jan 15 2005, 05:08 AM']Right I understand what both of you are saying... but it doesnt matter which way you want to call it... if people say they are using CIP 15.x then you KNOW that its referring to E060-04-09-555 since thats the only software version that comes with 15.x so essentially 15.x is the same definition as E060-04-09-555 Its like saying E060-04-09-555 is chocolate and CIP v15.x is a box of chocolate. if someone tells you they have a box of chocolate then obviously they have chocolate since chocolate is inside the box.
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And saying E060-04-09-555 creates confusion, since even the BMW guys are talking about it as version 15.xx. And a lot of ppl then start asking WTF does it mean... confusion...
And it's longer to type...
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[/quote]Chocolate anyone?
01-14-2005, 07:59 PM
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I'll try to type something more clear and concise tomorrow. It's late and I'm tired now! Damn snow finally melted though! Time to take some pics of my ride hopefully.
Anyway, there is some confusion. I guess it's how you choose to look at it. I'm not saying we should not care about the CIP versions, since a dealer will say "We just got in 16.x" or whatever. And to the dealer that is correct - that's the CIP version he got. Whether 16.x will do anything for ANY E60 we won't know and can't talk about UNLESS we know the E60 software version on CIP 16.x. Is that simpler now? So all I'm saying is how CIP works, what it means, what your car's software version is, how to get it, and what that means. I think it's useful to know this. Because if we want to talk about 15.0 vs 15.3 or vs 16.x it won't mean much unless we know the E60 version of the software on each of those CIP releases. Like I pointed out. 15.0 - 15.2 are EXACTLY the same as far as the E60 is concerned. Maybe 16.0 will be too. If we can determine that, and we easily can (Status report!!), THEN we can have meaningful discussions on whether we need to upgrade, should we wait, etc. Like I said, I can now tell you that if you are holding out for 15.2 because you think 15.0 is not good enough, don't! They are the same for the E60. THIS is useful, no?
When 16.x comes out, ANYONE who gets it can find out the E60 version and then report if it's different. If it isn't, then no point in updating!
The point is that once we all know how these things work, we can make decisons easier and with greater faith than the faith we may put in dealers, hearsay, and service advisors - most of which are clueless!
As a final example I may have gotten my update from CIP 15.0, 15.1, or 15.2. Does it matter? Of course not. But I see where people may think it does if they don't understand the process. By looking at it differently though, hopefully it will make more sense. That's all. If I have -555 and you have -555 we are at the same level. Your dealer may have installed it off of CIP 15.2 and mine off of 15.0 - or even 17.x. Who cares, right? As long as we talk about -555 we KNOW we are at the same level. If we instead say you have 15.2 and I have 15.0, then I can see it getting confusing. I may complain that my throttle is not as responsive and someone can jump in and say get 15.2! See?
Time to catch some sleep!
Anyway, there is some confusion. I guess it's how you choose to look at it. I'm not saying we should not care about the CIP versions, since a dealer will say "We just got in 16.x" or whatever. And to the dealer that is correct - that's the CIP version he got. Whether 16.x will do anything for ANY E60 we won't know and can't talk about UNLESS we know the E60 software version on CIP 16.x. Is that simpler now? So all I'm saying is how CIP works, what it means, what your car's software version is, how to get it, and what that means. I think it's useful to know this. Because if we want to talk about 15.0 vs 15.3 or vs 16.x it won't mean much unless we know the E60 version of the software on each of those CIP releases. Like I pointed out. 15.0 - 15.2 are EXACTLY the same as far as the E60 is concerned. Maybe 16.0 will be too. If we can determine that, and we easily can (Status report!!), THEN we can have meaningful discussions on whether we need to upgrade, should we wait, etc. Like I said, I can now tell you that if you are holding out for 15.2 because you think 15.0 is not good enough, don't! They are the same for the E60. THIS is useful, no?
When 16.x comes out, ANYONE who gets it can find out the E60 version and then report if it's different. If it isn't, then no point in updating!
The point is that once we all know how these things work, we can make decisons easier and with greater faith than the faith we may put in dealers, hearsay, and service advisors - most of which are clueless!
As a final example I may have gotten my update from CIP 15.0, 15.1, or 15.2. Does it matter? Of course not. But I see where people may think it does if they don't understand the process. By looking at it differently though, hopefully it will make more sense. That's all. If I have -555 and you have -555 we are at the same level. Your dealer may have installed it off of CIP 15.2 and mine off of 15.0 - or even 17.x. Who cares, right? As long as we talk about -555 we KNOW we are at the same level. If we instead say you have 15.2 and I have 15.0, then I can see it getting confusing. I may complain that my throttle is not as responsive and someone can jump in and say get 15.2! See?
Time to catch some sleep!
01-14-2005, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by urbo73' date='Jan 14 2005, 08:59 PM
... a dealer will say "We just got in 16.x" or whatever. And to the dealer that is correct - that's the CIP version he got. Whether 16.x will do anything for ANY E60 we won't know and can't talk about UNLESS we know the E60 software version on CIP 16.x. Is that simpler now?
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BUT if they release a completly new version V16 vs just a sub release I would expect that means they have new software for ALL models and the sub releases are for certain models and not others... hence V15.0-V15.2 in this case the E60 part stayed the same but E65 changed...
01-15-2005, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by urbo73' date='Jan 15 2005, 06:59 AM
The point is that once we all know how these things work, we can make decisons easier and with greater faith than the faith we may put in dealers, hearsay, and service advisors - most of which are clueless!
Time to catch some sleep!?
Time to catch some sleep!?
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What you say makes perfect sense to me!
Probably you hit the spot
01-15-2005, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by EBMCS03' date='Jan 15 2005, 01:21 AM
[quote name='urbo73' date='Jan 14 2005, 08:59 PM']... a dealer will say "We just got in 16.x" or whatever. And to the dealer that is correct - that's the CIP version he got. Whether 16.x will do anything for ANY E60 we won't know and can't talk about UNLESS we know the E60 software version on CIP 16.x. Is that simpler now?
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BUT if they release a completly new version V16 vs just a sub release I would expect that means they have new software for ALL models and the sub releases are for certain models and not others... hence V15.0-V15.2 in this case the E60 part stayed the same but E65 changed...
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[/quote]True, but you can't be 100% sure. But most likely. But again, 16.1 COULD have an E60 change over 16.0. Just because 15.0 - 15.2 are the same doesn't mean all 16.x versions will be. The point is you'll never know.
01-15-2005, 08:00 AM
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urbo is right.
The long string of characters E60-4-6 blah blah is the actual software version your car has, whatever it means, we don't know. It has absolutely no relation to the CIP version and it doesn't matter what options your car has.
The CIP version is just the general release of all the packages for any car model, E60, E63, E65, etc... on one CD-ROM or DVD or whatever media BMW chooses.
The E65 started this whole CIP thing, which is why the E60 started I believe with CIP 9.x and not 1.x because the E65 burned through 1.x - 8.x. As more models get added to CIP, we'll be at CIP 670.3 in no time.
So, to try and put it simply (an example):
The release of CIP 13.0 contains 3 seperate software packages on one CD-ROM. One package for each car model:
E60-1
E65-1
E63-1
Lets say BMW finds a serious fault in the E65 code, so they fix it and bump the E65's release version to E65-2, hence they would bump the CIP version to 13.1 (or whatever they bump it to, the point is, the CIP version would also increase) and we'd have a new CIP 13.1 release CD with:
E60-1
E65-2
E63-1
In our case (E60) there is absolutely no difference between CIP 13.0 and 13.1 because only the E65 package changed, the other two remained the same.
We got used to talking about the CIP version and while it perhaps has some legs, it's not 100% accurate. CIP 13.2 and 15.1 could be exactly the same thing, we simply have no way of knowing. You wouldn't know without checking the version of the specific package for the E60 version inside the CIP CD-ROM.
So, urbo, where'd you get that version number from?
The long string of characters E60-4-6 blah blah is the actual software version your car has, whatever it means, we don't know. It has absolutely no relation to the CIP version and it doesn't matter what options your car has.
The CIP version is just the general release of all the packages for any car model, E60, E63, E65, etc... on one CD-ROM or DVD or whatever media BMW chooses.
The E65 started this whole CIP thing, which is why the E60 started I believe with CIP 9.x and not 1.x because the E65 burned through 1.x - 8.x. As more models get added to CIP, we'll be at CIP 670.3 in no time.
So, to try and put it simply (an example):
The release of CIP 13.0 contains 3 seperate software packages on one CD-ROM. One package for each car model:
E60-1
E65-1
E63-1
Lets say BMW finds a serious fault in the E65 code, so they fix it and bump the E65's release version to E65-2, hence they would bump the CIP version to 13.1 (or whatever they bump it to, the point is, the CIP version would also increase) and we'd have a new CIP 13.1 release CD with:
E60-1
E65-2
E63-1
In our case (E60) there is absolutely no difference between CIP 13.0 and 13.1 because only the E65 package changed, the other two remained the same.
We got used to talking about the CIP version and while it perhaps has some legs, it's not 100% accurate. CIP 13.2 and 15.1 could be exactly the same thing, we simply have no way of knowing. You wouldn't know without checking the version of the specific package for the E60 version inside the CIP CD-ROM.
So, urbo, where'd you get that version number from?
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Very interesting information.
So the version only says something about the CD while the software on the CD for the E60 can still be the same as with earlier versions..
It makes sense to me and I would like to know if my software that came from a 13.0 CD is the same as the latest software on the version 15 cd..
Thanks!!
So the version only says something about the CD while the software on the CD for the E60 can still be the same as with earlier versions..
It makes sense to me and I would like to know if my software that came from a 13.0 CD is the same as the latest software on the version 15 cd..
Thanks!!
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Originally Posted by EBMCS03' date='Jan 15 2005, 05:14 AM
Chocolate anyone??
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Originally Posted by urbo73' date='Jan 15 2005, 05:59 AM
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But I think that ...-555 is the country spec. Maybe the country, the language and the version number of the cars software, coded in that one number. And I think that CIP releases then affect all E60's in the same country...
We might have to start buggin' our dealers to get those version numbers for our cars to compare them, then we'll see...
