550i versus 535
06-01-2007, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by HPIA4v2' post='430704' date='Jun 1 2007, 09:01 AM
Here is my 2 cents:
1) If down the road you have an itch for more power, on 535i $1500 buys you 50HP easy. Try that with 550i, the last super charge kit from Dinan for 545, cost 8K (mind you installation is extra).
2) for 4K on aero kit I go with Hamann, more exclusive than the factory. Given the factory installed may have better color matching. though if the aero kit for MY08 is around $2600, like that of the MY 07, I'll go for it in a heart beat.
3)The notion, turbo will kill an engine sooner probably over generalisation, I have Audi A4 with bigger turbo put in 5 years ago and after 45000 miles no engine problem at all. It just hit 105000 miles last week. If BMW is less reliable than Audi, god help us all :thumbsdown: . I expect my 535i to last at least that long and more.
4) 535i is 250lb ligther!, Oh that $1500 upgrade will not add weight, it's all software
1) If down the road you have an itch for more power, on 535i $1500 buys you 50HP easy. Try that with 550i, the last super charge kit from Dinan for 545, cost 8K (mind you installation is extra).
2) for 4K on aero kit I go with Hamann, more exclusive than the factory. Given the factory installed may have better color matching. though if the aero kit for MY08 is around $2600, like that of the MY 07, I'll go for it in a heart beat.
3)The notion, turbo will kill an engine sooner probably over generalisation, I have Audi A4 with bigger turbo put in 5 years ago and after 45000 miles no engine problem at all. It just hit 105000 miles last week. If BMW is less reliable than Audi, god help us all :thumbsdown: . I expect my 535i to last at least that long and more.
4) 535i is 250lb ligther!, Oh that $1500 upgrade will not add weight, it's all software
06-01-2007, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by azatty' post='430540' date='May 31 2007, 10:59 PM
So, here is my dilemna. I got one of the early production e60 M5's--big mistake, nothing but problems. I am currently trying to work through my dealer on a buy-back and if BMWNA is not fair (this is my 11th BMW), then it may be my last. In either event, I am contemplating replacements. I have determined I do not want another M5 or M6 as I am still shell-shocked. I am also contemplating a MB e63, but I do not get the same enjoyment from the MB as I do from the BMW. I am considering the 550 with the sport package and M aerodynamic trim (at least it looks like an M5), but am intrigued by the 535. The thing that bothers me about the 535 is that, as I understand it, you can not get the M trim on the 535 in the US. If I am mistaken, someone please correct me. A 535 equipped like I want is approximately 7,000 less than a comparably equipped 550. My dealership only has a 550, but no 535's. Has anyone driven both and, if so, do the driving dyamics and performance differ significantly between the two vehicles? Thank you in advance.
In my opinion, this is a very individual decision.
Both cars are outstanding in their own ways.
I'll also add that you'll benefit by evaluating a 535i's performance after it's initial break-in.
06-01-2007, 08:27 AM
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BMW has actually a problem to deliver all N54 (3.0 litre TT) engines needed.
Therefore the 535i is not available in Europe and some other sales restrictions are made.
Therefore the 535i is not available in Europe and some other sales restrictions are made.
06-01-2007, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by juventus' post='430716' date='Jun 1 2007, 09:25 AM
Apart from voiding the factory warranty, dosen't the vishnu chip decrease reliability?
I am not going to say with 100% certainty that it won't affect reliability.
But my A4 stock boost was 7PSI, with KO4 turbo kit I am pushing 14 PSI. And after 45000miles/5 years later it's still running smoothly.
My gut feeling telling me, this is the same situation when I bought my A4 1.8T 150HP stock in 97, the talked back then even before the car hit US shore was mod, and people pass on the bigger V6 220HP A4.
BTW, the Audi 1.8T won the WARD best engine in 97 just like BMW 335i in 2007, coincidence
It's like buying a stock that has a PE of 5 and has annual growth sales of 25%
, it's all in the "potential"
06-01-2007, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by cccplus' post='430631' date='Jun 1 2007, 11:32 AM
i think the 550 sport also has the M suspension. correct me if i'm wrong...
06-01-2007, 09:13 AM
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530dA (steptronic), Black II (JET), leather Dakota auburn black, mapple trim, head-up display, dynamic drive, active steering, adaptive xenon headlights (auto levelling) with headlight washers, alarm, comfort seats with massage function, advanced A/C, big compartment armrest, aux-in, MP3, Logic 7, Radio PRO, CD in-dash+cd changer, power rear sunshades, rear airbags, park distance control, auto dimming folding mirrors, smoking package, shiny shadow line (individual), fold down rear seats, ski bag, sport suspension, run flats on �116-style� rims (Good Year NCT5+), cup holders, debadged, fire extinguishers, additional permanent power outlet, BMW coat hanger, trunk release button (installed by Hobi), GPS tracking device and a big thx 2 Iceman.
Mods done:
� Authentic HAMANN FRONT APRON Including ellipsoid fog lights Item-No.: 10 060 110
� Authentic HAMANN REAR SPOILER Item-No.: 10 060 130,
� Authentic HAMANN HAMANN ALUMINIUM PEDALS For cars with manual gearbox Item-No.: 80 099 100 81,00 For cars with automatic transmission Item-No.: 80 099 120
� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
� Authentic HAMANN EXCLUSIVE FLOORMAT SET In black with HAMANN logo in silver For left-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060 120 For right-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060
� Authentic HAMANN COVER FOR OIL FILLER CAP In aluminium Item-No.: 80 099 117
� Authentic HAMANN SPORT REAR MUFFLER 4 TAILPIPES Sport rear muffler with four round stainless-steel tailpipes ( � 76mm ) Item-No.: 50 060 111
� Authentic HAMANN new add-on for M pack rear with diffusor for quad pipes -AVAILABLE NOW (http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=30630&st=0#entry332409)
� ///M steering wheel w Pegasus logo (this will be also changed to three spoke sports)
� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
most improtant:
�real and working like a charm forumsbuy real LED tails and PIAA 4700k fogs!!! for HAMANN full front apron you need H3
� CustomAngels, Angel Eyes Brighter than stocks 10X, WHITE & (REd for shows).
� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
� Authentic HAMANN REAL CF ROOF SPOLIER Item-No.: 10 060 235
� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
� Authentic HAMANN sports mirrors (all functions)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and of course !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E60.net Clings
Still to do list;-):
� Our Hobi's camera system from : ww.switchchange.com).
� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
when you tune a car and "reprogramme the ECU" you call it "chip" you can do it with 0 km car, but it is indeed better if the car did some kms (miles) before, braking in is very essential in the long run and in the life of the engine.
Matter of fact if O.E. warranty would be over but never heared of it yet, big tuners take over your warranty.
They can see if it is modified but to read out they need only to look into that and for 6-7 hrs, of course they will never tell you this...
Let's say I have a friend and he was in for service and they could not at all read his/her ecu...
But for petrol it will in any case or engine be max. 17-20 hp, which is normal for a diesel its significantly more.
Others also set their ECU back to normal when service is due, and then put the other programme back.
Matter of fact if O.E. warranty would be over but never heared of it yet, big tuners take over your warranty.
They can see if it is modified but to read out they need only to look into that and for 6-7 hrs, of course they will never tell you this...
Let's say I have a friend and he was in for service and they could not at all read his/her ecu...
But for petrol it will in any case or engine be max. 17-20 hp, which is normal for a diesel its significantly more.
Others also set their ECU back to normal when service is due, and then put the other programme back.
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Originally Posted by azatty' post='430540' date='May 31 2007, 10:59 PM
So, here is my dilemna. I got one of the early production e60 M5's--big mistake, nothing but problems. I am currently trying to work through my dealer on a buy-back and if BMWNA is not fair (this is my 11th BMW), then it may be my last. In either event, I am contemplating replacements. I have determined I do not want another M5 or M6 as I am still shell-shocked. I am also contemplating a MB e63, but I do not get the same enjoyment from the MB as I do from the BMW. I am considering the 550 with the sport package and M aerodynamic trim (at least it looks like an M5), but am intrigued by the 535. The thing that bothers me about the 535 is that, as I understand it, you can not get the M trim on the 535 in the US. If I am mistaken, someone please correct me. A 535 equipped like I want is approximately 7,000 less than a comparably equipped 550. My dealership only has a 550, but no 535's. Has anyone driven both and, if so, do the driving dyamics and performance differ significantly between the two vehicles? Thank you in advance.
06-01-2007, 09:46 PM
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This is quite a heated discussion on Bimmerfest and actually a decision that many of us have to make. I have no desire to mod a leased car. Lets assume that they both perform the same. (which they don't). I have driven them both and whereas that stats may have them close, the real feel of the two cars is different. As one poster mentioned, the 535 has to work harder. The demand for the 535 is high right now and when you lease, the difference between like optioned cars is minimal. my dilema became an easy decision. The following factors weighed in order of priority.
- 6psd NA until 09/08 production on 535
- Short Shifter
- NO Runflats
- M Kit
- No difference in price
06-02-2007, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Hormazd' post='431013' date='Jun 2 2007, 12:46 AM
I have driven them both and whereas that stats may have them close, the real feel of the two cars is different. The demand for the 535 is high right now and when you lease, the difference between like optioned cars is minimal.
The feel of the two cars is different, but I have yet to determine if that difference is worth the extra bucks to me given my typical use of the car (to and from work in stop-and-go traffic with only occasional highway driving). The 535i makes more sense from a practical point of view (lower gas mileage, lower cost, and from what the current lease residuals look like, better resale value), but buying a BMW is rarely a "practical" decision. And that's is a good thing because that's why we drive them!
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Interesting thread.
I bought a 545i in 2004 ( hence my very early join date) for my wife. The car was great and she loved it, till it got hit driving to LA
last month. 22K in repairs and I promptly traded it in for her last night.
She could have any car she wants ( she did not want a M5 because of SMG/6MT) the 550 and 335i were compared over several hours and
she ended up with a fully loaded ( I mean everything, HUD,NAV,Vent seats) and she loves it. This was our 8th BMW from this dealer in 5 years
and they gave us a great deal across the board.
I dropped off the keys today and all they wanted to talk about was my 2007 Audi RS4
Good luck.
I bought a 545i in 2004 ( hence my very early join date) for my wife. The car was great and she loved it, till it got hit driving to LA
last month. 22K in repairs and I promptly traded it in for her last night.
She could have any car she wants ( she did not want a M5 because of SMG/6MT) the 550 and 335i were compared over several hours and
she ended up with a fully loaded ( I mean everything, HUD,NAV,Vent seats) and she loves it. This was our 8th BMW from this dealer in 5 years
and they gave us a great deal across the board.
I dropped off the keys today and all they wanted to talk about was my 2007 Audi RS4
Good luck.