550i ???
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Originally Posted by soc_fans' date='Nov 18 2004, 05:14 AM
550i sounds odd. Don't you guys think so ?? 
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Originally Posted by EBMCS03' date='Nov 18 2004, 10:27 AM
With 400HP?? Sounds perfectly fine to me. Call it whatever they want... 500 for all I care... LOL?
The numbers I've seen suggest 375 to 385HP. remenber that this is a Valvetronic engine. Not the 5.0 Litre S62 engine (aka BMW M-Power) that was in the M5 and Z8.
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Then there's a rumor the 545i will be untouched and retain its' current engine because of the new M5, and the 7er and X5 will get the new V8.
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Originally Posted by Ed520' date='Nov 15 2004, 09:38 PM
e v8s are pretty new n i dun think they will be replaced so soon
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In case some of you didn't notice, Mercedes has just returned to using 4 Valves per cylinder on their newest engine. The word on the street is that by next year, they will have a new V8 with something in the neighborhood of 375 or 385 hp as well. Although many would say that BMW is not overly concerned with what MB is doing, I wouldn't be surprised to see BMW's new V8 engine with close to that amount of horsepower surfacing in the E60 by Spring of 2006.
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Originally Posted by 530iii' date='Nov 18 2004, 12:57 PM
Then there's a rumor the 545i will be untouched and retain its' current engine because of the new M5, and the 7er and X5 will get the new V8.
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If the new v8 replaces the engine in the 745, wouldn't that take more sales away from the 760 which I hear is not doing so well.
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This thread on German Car Fans also talks about a new V8 for the 5, 6, 7, and X5.
http://forums.germancarfans.com/zerothread?id=11667
http://forums.germancarfans.com/zerothread?id=11667
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Let's look at the relative engine sizes, outputs for the outgoing BMW models:
M3 333 hp
540i 290 hp
M5 394 hp
So the M3 has about 15% more hp than the 540, and 18% less than the M5
and 540 has 36% less than the M5.
Now, let's look at the replacement models:
M3 400 hp
545 325 hp
M5 500 hp
Here, the M3 has 23% more hp than the 545, and 20% less than the M5
and the 545 has 54% less than the M5.
It looks like the M3 and M5 relationship is about where it normally is, but the 545 is a bit low. I would guess they could offer a 'detuned' version of the V8 for the 5 series that would produce 350 or so hp. That would bring things more in line with the 'norm'. Plus, BMW has a history of bumping the HP for the 540 in the last few years.
M3 333 hp
540i 290 hp
M5 394 hp
So the M3 has about 15% more hp than the 540, and 18% less than the M5
and 540 has 36% less than the M5.
Now, let's look at the replacement models:
M3 400 hp
545 325 hp
M5 500 hp
Here, the M3 has 23% more hp than the 545, and 20% less than the M5
and the 545 has 54% less than the M5.
It looks like the M3 and M5 relationship is about where it normally is, but the 545 is a bit low. I would guess they could offer a 'detuned' version of the V8 for the 5 series that would produce 350 or so hp. That would bring things more in line with the 'norm'. Plus, BMW has a history of bumping the HP for the 540 in the last few years.
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Originally Posted by wolverine' date='Nov 18 2004, 07:27 PM
Let's look at the relative engine sizes, outputs for the outgoing BMW models:
M3 333 hp
540i 290 hp
M5 394 hp
So the M3 has about 15% more hp than the 540, and 18% less than the M5
and 540 has 36% less than the M5.
Now, let's look at the replacement models:
M3 400 hp
545 325 hp
M5 500 hp
Here, the M3 has 23% more hp than the 545, and 20% less than the M5
and the 545 has 54% less than the M5.?
It looks like the M3 and M5 relationship is about where it normally is, but the 545 is a bit low.? I would guess they could offer a 'detuned' version of the V8 for the 5 series that would produce 350 or so hp.? That would bring things more in line with the 'norm'.? Plus, BMW has a history of bumping the HP for the 540 in the last few years.
M3 333 hp
540i 290 hp
M5 394 hp
So the M3 has about 15% more hp than the 540, and 18% less than the M5
and 540 has 36% less than the M5.
Now, let's look at the replacement models:
M3 400 hp
545 325 hp
M5 500 hp
Here, the M3 has 23% more hp than the 545, and 20% less than the M5
and the 545 has 54% less than the M5.?
It looks like the M3 and M5 relationship is about where it normally is, but the 545 is a bit low.? I would guess they could offer a 'detuned' version of the V8 for the 5 series that would produce 350 or so hp.? That would bring things more in line with the 'norm'.? Plus, BMW has a history of bumping the HP for the 540 in the last few years.
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Originally Posted by wolverine' date='Nov 18 2004, 05:27 PM
Let's look at the relative engine sizes, outputs for the outgoing BMW models:
M3 333 hp
540i 290 hp
M5 394 hp
So the M3 has about 15% more hp than the 540, and 18% less than the M5
and 540 has 36% less than the M5.
Now, let's look at the replacement models:
M3 400 hp
545 325 hp
M5 500 hp
Here, the M3 has 23% more hp than the 545, and 20% less than the M5
and the 545 has 54% less than the M5.?
It looks like the M3 and M5 relationship is about where it normally is, but the 545 is a bit low.? I would guess they could offer a 'detuned' version of the V8 for the 5 series that would produce 350 or so hp.? That would bring things more in line with the 'norm'.? Plus, BMW has a history of bumping the HP for the 540 in the last few years.
M3 333 hp
540i 290 hp
M5 394 hp
So the M3 has about 15% more hp than the 540, and 18% less than the M5
and 540 has 36% less than the M5.
Now, let's look at the replacement models:
M3 400 hp
545 325 hp
M5 500 hp
Here, the M3 has 23% more hp than the 545, and 20% less than the M5
and the 545 has 54% less than the M5.?
It looks like the M3 and M5 relationship is about where it normally is, but the 545 is a bit low.? I would guess they could offer a 'detuned' version of the V8 for the 5 series that would produce 350 or so hp.? That would bring things more in line with the 'norm'.? Plus, BMW has a history of bumping the HP for the 540 in the last few years.
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Originally Posted by wolverine' date='Nov 19 2004, 03:27 AM
Let's look at the relative engine sizes, outputs for the outgoing BMW models:
M3 333 hp
540i 290 hp
M5 394 hp
So the M3 has about 15% more hp than the 540, and 18% less than the M5
and 540 has 36% less than the M5.
Now, let's look at the replacement models:
M3 400 hp
545 325 hp
M5 500 hp
Here, the M3 has 23% more hp than the 545, and 20% less than the M5
and the 545 has 54% less than the M5.?
It looks like the M3 and M5 relationship is about where it normally is, but the 545 is a bit low.? I would guess they could offer a 'detuned' version of the V8 for the 5 series that would produce 350 or so hp.? That would bring things more in line with the 'norm'.? Plus, BMW has a history of bumping the HP for the 540 in the last few years.
M3 333 hp
540i 290 hp
M5 394 hp
So the M3 has about 15% more hp than the 540, and 18% less than the M5
and 540 has 36% less than the M5.
Now, let's look at the replacement models:
M3 400 hp
545 325 hp
M5 500 hp
Here, the M3 has 23% more hp than the 545, and 20% less than the M5
and the 545 has 54% less than the M5.?
It looks like the M3 and M5 relationship is about where it normally is, but the 545 is a bit low.? I would guess they could offer a 'detuned' version of the V8 for the 5 series that would produce 350 or so hp.? That would bring things more in line with the 'norm'.? Plus, BMW has a history of bumping the HP for the 540 in the last few years.
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Old
M3/540 ok 15%
M3 have 16% less than M5
540 have 26% less than M5
new
M3/545 ok 23%
M3/M5 ok 20%
545 have 35% less than M5
Small mistake and don't change much that reality that top model compared to M5 is little behind and gap is getting bigger.
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