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09-25-2006, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Znod' post='338365' date='Sep 25 2006, 06:46 AM
Yep, we discussed 0 to 60 times for the two cars before, and ithey probably will be discussed again. As said, I am reminiscing and pointing out who the right-on prognosticator was. My predictions were exactly the same as the 0 to 60's for the manual and the Step reported by the mags to date. And, we've already discussed all that other stuff you mention. 
And, the G-meter results to date don't support your perspective on which car is faster--the 545i or the 550i--although the mags tend to do so. And, right, I can beat any car if the other car forgets or doesn't know how to go fast. But, this observation says nothing about which car is faster. 
And, why wouldn't I believe you about such an obvious truth?
And, the G-meter results to date don't support your perspective on which car is faster--the 545i or the 550i--although the mags tend to do so. And, right, I can beat any car if the other car forgets or doesn't know how to go fast. But, this observation says nothing about which car is faster. And, why wouldn't I believe you about such an obvious truth?
Perhaps a little sleight of hand there, Znod...?! You're forgeting to mention that the best g-meter results to date from a couple of you are considerably better than the best recorded magazine time for the 545 - none of the auto press got close to your best times. It's thus reasonable to conclude that the same would apply to the 550. We've already seen a magazine time for the 550 better than any the 545 recorded, and those guys, unlike you guys, aren't able to practice launching the same car to refine their launch technique for that specific car. Your g-meter results are more of an indication of the launch skills of you, grogan and a few notable others more than any indication that the g-meter data would have us believe the 545 is quicker in general than a 550. Either way, we're splitting hairs and it could only be by no more than a few tenths anyway. As I've said before, stick you or one of the other specialists in a 550, or have one of the 550 owners practice as much as you guys do, and the 550 will be faster. At the end of the day it's kind of academic as I'm betting comparatively few of us get the ability to run unhindered 0-60s or 1/4 mile times anyway. 
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Why do people fixate on the 0-60 time, when the 0-100 time is a far better measure of a car's real speed. I know it's politically incorrect and all, being well above the speed limit in most countries, but I find I rarely give the car full throttle from standstill anyway, so it's all somewhat academic.
30-70 through the gears is also an interesting one - much more realistic.
30-70 through the gears is also an interesting one - much more realistic.
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The Socal Launch crew is not fixated on the 0 - 60 time.
We are all about the 1/4 mile and highway runs.
Our next Launch Meet will be soon. It will be a night or early morning Meet to take advantage of the cold weather thus resulting in better times.
We are all about the 1/4 mile and highway runs.
Our next Launch Meet will be soon. It will be a night or early morning Meet to take advantage of the cold weather thus resulting in better times.
09-25-2006, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='338367' date='Sep 25 2006, 06:57 AM
Perhaps a little sleight of hand there, Znod...?! You're forgeting to mention that the best g-meter results to date from a couple of you are considerably better than the best recorded magazine time for the 545 - none of the auto press got close to your best times. It's thus reasonable to conclude that the same would apply to the 550. We've already seen a magazine time for the 550 better than any the 545 recorded, and those guys, unlike you guys, aren't able to practice launching the same car to refine their launch technique for that specific car. Your g-meter results are more of an indication of the launch skills of you, grogan and a few notable others more than any indication that the g-meter data would have us believe the 545 is quicker in general than a 550. Either way, we're splitting hairs and it could only be by no more than a few tenths anyway. As I've said before, stick you or one of the other specialists in a 550, or have one of the 550 owners practice as much as you guys do, and the 550 will be faster. At the end of the day it's kind of academic as I'm betting comparatively few of us get the ability to run unhindered 0-60s or 1/4 mile times anyway.
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Originally Posted by hythe' post='338390' date='Sep 25 2006, 08:05 AM
Why do people fixate on the 0-60 time, when the 0-100 time is a far better measure of a car's real speed. I know it's politically incorrect and all, being well above the speed limit in most countries, but I find I rarely give the car full throttle from standstill anyway, so it's all somewhat academic.
30-70 through the gears is also an interesting one - much more realistic.
30-70 through the gears is also an interesting one - much more realistic.
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Chill out! "people" didn't actually refer to the folks in this thread or on this board in general (who appear on the whole to be a pretty enlightened bunch) - "people" was more a reference to magazines and the public at large...
The straight line performance threads are interesting indeed. Still, I think my point about real world performance not being restricted to standing start acceleration remains valid. I always rather liked EVO magazine's TED "Time Exposed to Danger" measure, meant to simulate the time spent pulling out to pass a truck on the highway at full throttle.
The straight line performance threads are interesting indeed. Still, I think my point about real world performance not being restricted to standing start acceleration remains valid. I always rather liked EVO magazine's TED "Time Exposed to Danger" measure, meant to simulate the time spent pulling out to pass a truck on the highway at full throttle.
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Originally Posted by vegastrashed' post='338393' date='Sep 25 2006, 08:13 AM
The Socal Launch crew is not fixated on the 0 - 60 time.
We are all about the 1/4 mile and highway runs.
Our next Launch Meet will be soon. It will be a night or early morning Meet to take advantage of the cold weather thus resulting in better times.
We are all about the 1/4 mile and highway runs.
Our next Launch Meet will be soon. It will be a night or early morning Meet to take advantage of the cold weather thus resulting in better times.
09-25-2006, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by hythe' post='338405' date='Sep 25 2006, 08:52 AM
Chill out! "people" didn't actually refer to the folks in this thread or on this board in general (who appear on the whole to be a pretty enlightened bunch) - "people" was more a reference to magazines and the public at large...
The straight line performance threads are interesting indeed. Still, I think my point about real world performance not being restricted to standing start acceleration remains valid. I always rather liked EVO magazine's TED "Time Exposed to Danger" measure, meant to simulate the time spent pulling out to pass a truck on the highway at full throttle.
The straight line performance threads are interesting indeed. Still, I think my point about real world performance not being restricted to standing start acceleration remains valid. I always rather liked EVO magazine's TED "Time Exposed to Danger" measure, meant to simulate the time spent pulling out to pass a truck on the highway at full throttle.
Edit: I don't see that the mags fixate on 0 to 60, although the public probably has been taught to do so. But, 0 to 60 is not such a bad "sufficient statistic" for inferring the performance characteristics of a car. Others would work too--e.g., 1/4 mile time and some of the passing times.
09-25-2006, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Znod' post='338414' date='Sep 25 2006, 05:18 PM
Well, we don't always avoid discussions of passing. But, our emphasis has been on drag racing in the straight-line performance threads. Why not start a passing-emphasis thread? And, we don't always ignore passing. Check here. When I get the new test, I'll make a comparison table similar to the one in the post including both US 550i tests and my car's current data.
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Originally Posted by hythe' post='338421' date='Sep 25 2006, 09:41 AM
Alas, we don't have so many drag strips here in the UK, nor do I have the timing equipment to do proper testing of this type. Though on the B5, it would make for some interesting reading - based on the official data, 100-160km/h should take a little under 5 sec in that. Though, to tell the truth, the car gives the impression of pulling harder still above 160 than below. Might be the computer pegging back the torque in the lower gears.