545i reliablity after the warranty expires
01-09-2006, 11:20 AM
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We have just got rid of our 20 month old car after way to many problems.
In the UK after 3 years its a ?1000 a year to extend the warranty which in my eyes is a must and the cost represents the problems I think you will have with it once it's warranty runs out. A similar warranty on an Audi is half that price.
We are not in the 60's now, a car should drive well and be reliable. A drivers car so you have to pay the penalty! What a load of bollo***.
BMW are pretty crap from my 20 months and I won't be coming back.
In the UK after 3 years its a ?1000 a year to extend the warranty which in my eyes is a must and the cost represents the problems I think you will have with it once it's warranty runs out. A similar warranty on an Audi is half that price.
We are not in the 60's now, a car should drive well and be reliable. A drivers car so you have to pay the penalty! What a load of bollo***.
BMW are pretty crap from my 20 months and I won't be coming back.
01-09-2006, 11:21 AM
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I got my extended warrranty at my BMW dealer. I got it extended to 7 years/115K for ~$3000. I know a little heafty but its in the noise of total cost.
01-09-2006, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by hmc' post='221547' date='Jan 9 2006, 01:17 PM
Come on guys. Don't say go to Lexus if you want reliability. Poor reliability is not acceptable. There is no excuse, especially for premium cars. Period.
I think BMW should feel embrassed by some simple reliability issues and work on them at highest priority otherwise they will be ass kicked by Lexus (like GM has been kicked by Toyota)
BMW and BMW fans, NO ARROGANCE please.
I think BMW should feel embrassed by some simple reliability issues and work on them at highest priority otherwise they will be ass kicked by Lexus (like GM has been kicked by Toyota)
BMW and BMW fans, NO ARROGANCE please.
There's a always a trade-off. Every car maker has x amount of time to engineer a car. Maybe Lexus engineers spend the majority of X time to make sure their cars will be reliable, while BMW engineers spend the majority of X time to make sure their cars will handle well. When I get a BMW, I expect it to have more problemsthan a Lexus, because I'm willing to trade some reliability for better performance. Do I wish BMWs could be more reliable, of course! But performance is of greater priority to me than reliability.
Let me put it this way: I forgive BMW for being less reliable because it is more fun to drive.
01-09-2006, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jet190rs' post='221684' date='Jan 9 2006, 01:45 PM
Lower reliability may not be acceptable to you, but it IS acceptable for me.
There's a always a trade-off. Every car maker has x amount of time to engineer a car. Maybe Lexus engineers spend the majority of X time to make sure their cars will be reliable, while BMW engineers spend the majority of X time to make sure their cars will handle well. When I get a BMW, I expect it to have more problemsthan a Lexus, because I'm willing to trade some reliability for better performance. Do I wish BMWs could be more reliable, of course! But performance is of greater priority to me than reliability.
Let me put it this way: I forgive BMW for being less reliable because it is more fun to drive.
There's a always a trade-off. Every car maker has x amount of time to engineer a car. Maybe Lexus engineers spend the majority of X time to make sure their cars will be reliable, while BMW engineers spend the majority of X time to make sure their cars will handle well. When I get a BMW, I expect it to have more problemsthan a Lexus, because I'm willing to trade some reliability for better performance. Do I wish BMWs could be more reliable, of course! But performance is of greater priority to me than reliability.
Let me put it this way: I forgive BMW for being less reliable because it is more fun to drive.
Let's look at some problems in the 1st post: For example, I wouldn't be surprised/upset at some problems in Active Steerring because it's a new technology. But how about steering fluid leak (in X5)? front turn signal bulb ? condensation in the headlight assembly ? These are not leading edge technologies. I suspect it's not engineering/design problem, it's quality control problem.
01-09-2006, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit' post='221245' date='Jan 8 2006, 08:53 PM
That being said, there is a reason BMW provides only a 4 year warranty. Believe you me, BMW has all sorts of engineers, mathematicians, actuaries, scientists, marketing gurus, budget and financial analysts, and mid-level paper pushers calculating the most cost effective warranty period. If BMW has deemed the cost-effective cut-off at 4 years, well that sure says something to me ...
What? You think so? I think if they "made a bunch of calculations" to figure out warranty time it would not be exactally 4 years... I think they chose 4 years cuz its just basically an expected industry standard for European cars or better yet German cars.
Are Japanese cars still 3 years right now? They might have moved it to 4 just to "compete" with European cars.
Anything and everything has a warranty cut off, just like electronics... you have to guarantee your product for a certain amount of time...
01-09-2006, 06:10 PM
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Every BMW I have owned has had its own individual quirks. All of them are resolvable with patience. They will also last for a good number of years if you take care of them. These are not automobiles for the guy who desires an every day driver like a Camry. Enjoy the car because nothing drives like it.
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