545i engine vibration
04-07-2005, 12:05 PM
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Have you tried the water test when your car's engine is cold versus warm?
Also what about ambient air temperature? I had noticed what I thought was a similar problem on cold starts when the air temp was <40 degrees fahrenheit, but now that the outdoor temp where I live has warmed up I don't notice it.
I'm also not certain that it is the engine versus my tires. I have not tried the H2O test (I may wait until next winter unless I notice vibrations again).
Another issue for me is that I'm about to switch from winter to summer tires, so that will also give me something point to examine.
I live in a mild temperature which ranges from mid 40's to upper 70's. My tests have been when the engine has warmed up.
I notice it when I am NOT driving, just sitting a varying the RPM's. I do not know if I am experiencing anything while driving - that is one of my concerns. I have the Dunlop run flats that are going to get replaced (replacements on order from the dealer).
From all of my investigation, I believe it is an inherent harmonic of the engine. The question is - is the amount normal or excessive. Since it is not noticable on the same engine with an automatic - my concern is that it is not normal.
On mine I can definately feel it at approx 1250, slightly at 1400, and at 1900-2200. I can feel it/see it in the steering wheel, the shifter and is extremely noticable for someone holding onto the drivers door with it open.
See if you can detect it on yours. If you can, then try an auto when convenient.
It is not a problem that is stopping me from driving the car, I would just like to know.
Also what about ambient air temperature? I had noticed what I thought was a similar problem on cold starts when the air temp was <40 degrees fahrenheit, but now that the outdoor temp where I live has warmed up I don't notice it.
I'm also not certain that it is the engine versus my tires. I have not tried the H2O test (I may wait until next winter unless I notice vibrations again).
Another issue for me is that I'm about to switch from winter to summer tires, so that will also give me something point to examine.
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[/quote]I live in a mild temperature which ranges from mid 40's to upper 70's. My tests have been when the engine has warmed up.
I notice it when I am NOT driving, just sitting a varying the RPM's. I do not know if I am experiencing anything while driving - that is one of my concerns. I have the Dunlop run flats that are going to get replaced (replacements on order from the dealer).
From all of my investigation, I believe it is an inherent harmonic of the engine. The question is - is the amount normal or excessive. Since it is not noticable on the same engine with an automatic - my concern is that it is not normal.
On mine I can definately feel it at approx 1250, slightly at 1400, and at 1900-2200. I can feel it/see it in the steering wheel, the shifter and is extremely noticable for someone holding onto the drivers door with it open.
See if you can detect it on yours. If you can, then try an auto when convenient.
It is not a problem that is stopping me from driving the car, I would just like to know.
04-08-2005, 04:10 AM
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jsal,
I have a simular problem although it's at different RPMs and have a 525d. Are you sure it's the engine ? I have the same paranoia feeling you have, it's so subjective and other people don't seem to notice it. BMW seems to agree that there is something but another car also had vibrations (although to me they do not feel the same). They don't really know what to do about, they suggested to replace the clutch, but I didn't want to go through the same suffering as you are right now (days and days without you're care, and still no solution)
Do you feel the vibration in the back of your seat ? With my car it seems like the back tyres are out of balance. I also have vibrations in the gearshift when I rev up in first gear. Another thing I notice is when you drive on the highway (130km/h),you disengage the clutch, and you keep it in 5th gear the gearshift starts to vibrate as well after a second or two. Also when driving at about 2800 rpm sometimes I hear a fluctuating sound.
I also had the feeling that outside temp has something to do with it as in the winter (< +5?C) the vibrations where not so noticable. Now that temperatures are going up (> +15?C) it starts getting worse again.
Does any of this sound familiar ?
I have a simular problem although it's at different RPMs and have a 525d. Are you sure it's the engine ? I have the same paranoia feeling you have, it's so subjective and other people don't seem to notice it. BMW seems to agree that there is something but another car also had vibrations (although to me they do not feel the same). They don't really know what to do about, they suggested to replace the clutch, but I didn't want to go through the same suffering as you are right now (days and days without you're care, and still no solution)
Do you feel the vibration in the back of your seat ? With my car it seems like the back tyres are out of balance. I also have vibrations in the gearshift when I rev up in first gear. Another thing I notice is when you drive on the highway (130km/h),you disengage the clutch, and you keep it in 5th gear the gearshift starts to vibrate as well after a second or two. Also when driving at about 2800 rpm sometimes I hear a fluctuating sound.
I also had the feeling that outside temp has something to do with it as in the winter (< +5?C) the vibrations where not so noticable. Now that temperatures are going up (> +15?C) it starts getting worse again.
Does any of this sound familiar ?
04-08-2005, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jsal' date='Mar 23 2005, 08:27 PM
Fly wheel did not fix the problem.? I am picking the car up tonight (after being without it for 5 days.
So, not the accessories, waterpump, harmonic balancer or flywheel.? Sounds internal to me.? They are back to asking BMWNA what to do.
If anybody wants to take a WAG - go for it.
So, not the accessories, waterpump, harmonic balancer or flywheel.? Sounds internal to me.? They are back to asking BMWNA what to do.
If anybody wants to take a WAG - go for it.
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04-08-2005, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by IdZer0' date='Apr 8 2005, 04:10 AM
jsal,
I have a simular problem although it's at different? RPMs and have a 525d. Are you sure it's the engine ? I have the same paranoia feeling you have, it's so subjective and other people don't seem to notice it. BMW seems to agree that there is something but another car also had vibrations (although to me they do not feel the same). They don't really know what to do about, they suggested to replace the clutch, but I didn't want to go through the same suffering as you are right now (days and days without you're care, and still no solution)
Do you feel the vibration in the back of your seat ? With my car it seems like the back tyres are out of balance. I also have vibrations in the gearshift when I rev up in first gear. Another thing I notice is when you drive on the highway (130km/h),you disengage the clutch, and you keep it in 5th gear the gearshift starts to vibrate as well after a second or two. Also when driving at about 2800 rpm sometimes I hear a fluctuating sound.
I also had the feeling that outside temp has something to do with it as in the winter (< +5?C) the vibrations where not so noticable. Now that temperatures are going up (> +15?C) it starts getting worse again.
Does any of this sound familiar ?
I have a simular problem although it's at different? RPMs and have a 525d. Are you sure it's the engine ? I have the same paranoia feeling you have, it's so subjective and other people don't seem to notice it. BMW seems to agree that there is something but another car also had vibrations (although to me they do not feel the same). They don't really know what to do about, they suggested to replace the clutch, but I didn't want to go through the same suffering as you are right now (days and days without you're care, and still no solution)
Do you feel the vibration in the back of your seat ? With my car it seems like the back tyres are out of balance. I also have vibrations in the gearshift when I rev up in first gear. Another thing I notice is when you drive on the highway (130km/h),you disengage the clutch, and you keep it in 5th gear the gearshift starts to vibrate as well after a second or two. Also when driving at about 2800 rpm sometimes I hear a fluctuating sound.
I also had the feeling that outside temp has something to do with it as in the winter (< +5?C) the vibrations where not so noticable. Now that temperatures are going up (> +15?C) it starts getting worse again.
Does any of this sound familiar ?
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There will be engine harmonics at particular RPMS and each engine is different as well as can change with the type of exhaust.
I do get some vibrations out of the gear shift which I think is normal - have seen it on other cars.
When driving there can be a thousand more things that effect this (i.e. transmission, driveshaft and tires)
My vibrations are standing still, car in nuetral and increase RPM. If you open the drivers door it will sit perfectly smooth until you hit the specific RPM's in which case it will just start vibrating. If you are looking in the drivers side door mirror, it looks like you are driving down a washboard road. You can also feel it in the steering wheel, gear shifter and seat.
No change from the engine being cold or fully warmed up.
04-21-2005, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jsal' date='Apr 8 2005, 12:23 PM
[quote name='IdZer0' date='Apr 8 2005, 04:10 AM']jsal,
I have a simular problem although it's at different? RPMs and have a 525d. Are you sure it's the engine ? I have the same paranoia feeling you have, it's so subjective and other people don't seem to notice it. BMW seems to agree that there is something but another car also had vibrations (although to me they do not feel the same). They don't really know what to do about, they suggested to replace the clutch, but I didn't want to go through the same suffering as you are right now (days and days without you're care, and still no solution)
Do you feel the vibration in the back of your seat ? With my car it seems like the back tyres are out of balance. I also have vibrations in the gearshift when I rev up in first gear. Another thing I notice is when you drive on the highway (130km/h),you disengage the clutch, and you keep it in 5th gear the gearshift starts to vibrate as well after a second or two. Also when driving at about 2800 rpm sometimes I hear a fluctuating sound.
I also had the feeling that outside temp has something to do with it as in the winter (< +5?C) the vibrations where not so noticable. Now that temperatures are going up (> +15?C) it starts getting worse again.
Does any of this sound familiar ?
I have a simular problem although it's at different? RPMs and have a 525d. Are you sure it's the engine ? I have the same paranoia feeling you have, it's so subjective and other people don't seem to notice it. BMW seems to agree that there is something but another car also had vibrations (although to me they do not feel the same). They don't really know what to do about, they suggested to replace the clutch, but I didn't want to go through the same suffering as you are right now (days and days without you're care, and still no solution)
Do you feel the vibration in the back of your seat ? With my car it seems like the back tyres are out of balance. I also have vibrations in the gearshift when I rev up in first gear. Another thing I notice is when you drive on the highway (130km/h),you disengage the clutch, and you keep it in 5th gear the gearshift starts to vibrate as well after a second or two. Also when driving at about 2800 rpm sometimes I hear a fluctuating sound.
I also had the feeling that outside temp has something to do with it as in the winter (< +5?C) the vibrations where not so noticable. Now that temperatures are going up (> +15?C) it starts getting worse again.
Does any of this sound familiar ?
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There will be engine harmonics at particular RPMS and each engine is different as well as can change with the type of exhaust.
I do get some vibrations out of the gear shift which I think is normal - have seen it on other cars.
When driving there can be a thousand more things that effect this (i.e. transmission, driveshaft and tires)
My vibrations are standing still, car in nuetral and increase RPM. If you open the drivers door it will sit perfectly smooth until you hit the specific RPM's in which case it will just start vibrating. If you are looking in the drivers side door mirror, it looks like you are driving down a washboard road. You can also feel it in the steering wheel, gear shifter and seat.
No change from the engine being cold or fully warmed up.
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[/quote]Jsal,
My 545i/6 has just shy of 3,000 miles and 3 months on it now. I've recently noticed that it vibrates... no, I would say it shakes... more than just a light vibration... at idle.
My problem sounds (to me) similar to yours but in reverse. When I rev the engine with the clutch in neutral - no vibration... smooth.
But just sitting at idle (after the engine is warmed up), I get a noticable vibration that seems to be increasing in intensity.
I'm calling my dealer tomorrow to make an appt. I may also try and drop by and see if I can get a BMW mechanic to take a look at it, but I'll prolly make an appointment either way just to be sure there is a record of the problem.
Please keep everyone posted on how your car turns out. I'll do the same regarding my issue.
04-25-2005, 09:33 PM
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I just got a new 2005 545i and I'm noticing the same vibration/shaking that's been mentioned here. It's just enough to be annoying at idle, and in the 1200 -> 2500 range it's very noticible, but only when not moving. When moving, the natural bumps in the road overpower the vibration, and it can't be felt.
I'm going in the dealer tomorrow and I'm going to get CIP 16.2 while I'm there.
Another dealer told me today that it was an emissions related problem that BMW was aware of, and that they were working on a software-fix for this problem that's supposed to be available in the next few weeks. He said it was pending EPA approval, since it was an emissions related change. It could be complete BS he made up to buy some time and deal with this issue another day...
What do you guys think?
I'm going in the dealer tomorrow and I'm going to get CIP 16.2 while I'm there.
Another dealer told me today that it was an emissions related problem that BMW was aware of, and that they were working on a software-fix for this problem that's supposed to be available in the next few weeks. He said it was pending EPA approval, since it was an emissions related change. It could be complete BS he made up to buy some time and deal with this issue another day...
What do you guys think?
04-25-2005, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ttar' date='Apr 25 2005, 09:33 PM
I just got a new 2005 545i and I'm noticing the same vibration/shaking that's been mentioned here.? It's just enough to be annoying at idle, and in the 1200 -> 2500 range it's very noticible, but only when not moving.? When moving, the natural bumps in the road overpower the vibration, and it can't be felt.
I'm going in the dealer tomorrow and I'm going to get CIP 16.2 while I'm there.
Another dealer told me today that it was an emissions related problem that BMW was aware of, and that they were working on a software-fix for this problem that's supposed to be available in the next few weeks.? He said it was pending EPA approval, since it was an emissions related change.? It could be complete BS he made up to buy some time and deal with this issue another day...
What do you guys think?
I'm going in the dealer tomorrow and I'm going to get CIP 16.2 while I'm there.
Another dealer told me today that it was an emissions related problem that BMW was aware of, and that they were working on a software-fix for this problem that's supposed to be available in the next few weeks.? He said it was pending EPA approval, since it was an emissions related change.? It could be complete BS he made up to buy some time and deal with this issue another day...
What do you guys think?
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04-25-2005, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hormazd' date='Apr 25 2005, 10:50 PM
[quote name='ttar' date='Apr 25 2005, 09:33 PM']I just got a new 2005 545i and I'm noticing the same vibration/shaking that's been mentioned here.? It's just enough to be annoying at idle, and in the 1200 -> 2500 range it's very noticible, but only when not moving.? When moving, the natural bumps in the road overpower the vibration, and it can't be felt.
I'm going in the dealer tomorrow and I'm going to get CIP 16.2 while I'm there.
Another dealer told me today that it was an emissions related problem that BMW was aware of, and that they were working on a software-fix for this problem that's supposed to be available in the next few weeks.? He said it was pending EPA approval, since it was an emissions related change.? It could be complete BS he made up to buy some time and deal with this issue another day...
What do you guys think?
I'm going in the dealer tomorrow and I'm going to get CIP 16.2 while I'm there.
Another dealer told me today that it was an emissions related problem that BMW was aware of, and that they were working on a software-fix for this problem that's supposed to be available in the next few weeks.? He said it was pending EPA approval, since it was an emissions related change.? It could be complete BS he made up to buy some time and deal with this issue another day...
What do you guys think?
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[/quote]I'm a newbie... What's the DME recall?
04-25-2005, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ttar' date='Apr 25 2005, 09:52 PM
[quote name='Hormazd' date='Apr 25 2005, 10:50 PM'][quote name='ttar' date='Apr 25 2005, 09:33 PM']I just got a new 2005 545i and I'm noticing the same vibration/shaking that's been mentioned here.? It's just enough to be annoying at idle, and in the 1200 -> 2500 range it's very noticible, but only when not moving.? When moving, the natural bumps in the road overpower the vibration, and it can't be felt.
I'm going in the dealer tomorrow and I'm going to get CIP 16.2 while I'm there.
Another dealer told me today that it was an emissions related problem that BMW was aware of, and that they were working on a software-fix for this problem that's supposed to be available in the next few weeks.? He said it was pending EPA approval, since it was an emissions related change.? It could be complete BS he made up to buy some time and deal with this issue another day...
What do you guys think?
I'm going in the dealer tomorrow and I'm going to get CIP 16.2 while I'm there.
Another dealer told me today that it was an emissions related problem that BMW was aware of, and that they were working on a software-fix for this problem that's supposed to be available in the next few weeks.? He said it was pending EPA approval, since it was an emissions related change.? It could be complete BS he made up to buy some time and deal with this issue another day...
What do you guys think?
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[/quote]I'm a newbie... What's the DME recall?
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[/quote]Emissions adjustments. Nothing major - all software related to engine managememt. Or in this case I guess it is major.
04-25-2005, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Hormazd' date='Apr 25 2005, 10:53 PM
[quote name='ttar' date='Apr 25 2005, 09:52 PM'][quote name='Hormazd' date='Apr 25 2005, 10:50 PM'][quote name='ttar' date='Apr 25 2005, 09:33 PM']I just got a new 2005 545i and I'm noticing the same vibration/shaking that's been mentioned here.? It's just enough to be annoying at idle, and in the 1200 -> 2500 range it's very noticible, but only when not moving.? When moving, the natural bumps in the road overpower the vibration, and it can't be felt.
I'm going in the dealer tomorrow and I'm going to get CIP 16.2 while I'm there.
Another dealer told me today that it was an emissions related problem that BMW was aware of, and that they were working on a software-fix for this problem that's supposed to be available in the next few weeks.? He said it was pending EPA approval, since it was an emissions related change.? It could be complete BS he made up to buy some time and deal with this issue another day...
What do you guys think?
I'm going in the dealer tomorrow and I'm going to get CIP 16.2 while I'm there.
Another dealer told me today that it was an emissions related problem that BMW was aware of, and that they were working on a software-fix for this problem that's supposed to be available in the next few weeks.? He said it was pending EPA approval, since it was an emissions related change.? It could be complete BS he made up to buy some time and deal with this issue another day...
What do you guys think?
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[/quote]I'm a newbie... What's the DME recall?
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[/quote]Emissions adjustments. Nothing major - all software related to engine managememt. Or in this case I guess it is major.
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[/quote]So does the update to 16.2 automatically (read: always) include the DME recall related fixes?