535d vs M3
12-01-2005, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich535d' post='205799' date='Dec 1 2005, 04:49 PM
I agree that the times of many of the cars seem strange. Look at the time of the M3 CSL (1.28) vs. the standard M3 (1.31.8). Thats a very big difference.
The 911 gt3 also was in wet 1 27.2.
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Originally Posted by JayJay' post='205763' date='Dec 1 2005, 12:04 PM
It could be that the torque through 50-70 is where the car spends most of its time on the track so the 535 has an extra bit of speed in this area but only this area so keeps up with the M3 time wise. If the entire track was between 50 - 70mph corners then the 535d would be faster surely?
or is there a flaw in my logic
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or is there a flaw in my logic
oh and RIP Black stig
your launch off an aircraft carrier was a noble way to go :-(
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IMO, as i am a tg fan, it could be as jet190rs said, the change in drivers. Otherwise i can't see the difference. For sure the M3 could make out the torque difference by just keeping the rev band. Dunno...i for one think so, that the change (if they changed) of drivers.
Bare in mind that the lap times on their site are not stated with dry/wet lap. I think that's why we see the same time for the sl55 with the golf r32. If i remember corectly the sl test was in wet and for sure the golf's one was in dry.
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The point is that simply that one lap and one test, in itself, is pretty meaningless as there are so many variables from driver to conditions that will differ from test to test. Multiple tests will show that the M3 is much quicker, and of course the QP isn't going to get close to the M5 95 times out of a hundred (but I still want a QP
), but on one test, and one lap anything can happen, hence the "anomalies" like this. These tests aren't run under laboratory conditions!!
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Have you guys watched the videos?
The Black Stig and the White Stig don't even drive the same lines on the track.
The Black Stig and the White Stig don't even drive the same lines on the track.
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The 911 gt3 also was in wet 1 27.2.
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The CSL is soooo much quicker than the M3 on track - not just due to the Cup tyres & extra power/wt ratio but predominantly as the whole package is so much more confidence inspiring that it is easier to drive quicker.
I was wrong about the 535d being in kickdown for the 50-70mph time, tried it this morning in 6th - just over 3 secs - effortless !
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Originally Posted by Rich535d' post='205799' date='Dec 1 2005, 04:49 PM
I agree that the times of many of the cars seem strange. Look at the time of the M3 CSL (1.28) vs. the standard M3 (1.31.8). Thats a very big difference.
The 911 gt3 also was in wet 1 27.2.
I was wrong about the 535d being in kickdown for the 50-70mph time, tried it this morning in 6th - just over 3 secs - effortless !
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yes, tryed it also...the same result. Who needs kickdown when we have all the torque? 2 sequential turbos mean the entire rev band to explore. So in any rev range in any gear the 535d is quick.
Originally Posted by jet190rs' post='205839' date='Dec 1 2005, 06:34 PM
Have you guys watched the videos?
The Black Stig and the White Stig don't even drive the same lines on the track.
The Black Stig and the White Stig don't even drive the same lines on the track.
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