535D Sport

This is how the 535D differs from the 530D...
Three different operating conditions occur:

1. At low engine speeds the intake air flows through the large turbocharger and is compressed in the smaller turbocharger. This supplies substantial amounts of air to the power unit, starting without any appreciable delay at idle speed. The 3.0 litre in-line six-cylinder diesel develops 530 Nm of torque at as early as 1,500 rpm.

2. With increasing engine speed, the larger turbocharger becomes more important - initially as a pre-compressor. The intake air is additionally highly compressed inside the small turbocharger, the engine reaching its maximum torque of 560 Nm at 2,000 rpm. By means of a turbine control valve, the flow of exhaust air is variably distributed to both turbochargers, regulating their interaction.

3. At high engine speeds work is done primarily by the large turbocharger, the power unit reaching a maximum output of 200 kW/272 bhp at 4,400 rpm.

colejl

This is how the 535D differs from the 530D...
Three different operating conditions occur:

1. At low engine speeds the intake air flows through the large turbocharger and is compressed in the smaller turbocharger. This supplies substantial amounts of air to the power unit, starting without any appreciable delay at idle speed. The 3.0 litre in-line six-cylinder diesel develops 530 Nm of torque at as early as 1,500 rpm.

2. With increasing engine speed, the larger turbocharger becomes more important - initially as a pre-compressor. The intake air is additionally highly compressed inside the small turbocharger, the engine reaching its maximum torque of 560 Nm at 2,000 rpm. By means of a turbine control valve, the flow of exhaust air is variably distributed to both turbochargers, regulating their interaction.

3. At high engine speeds work is done primarily by the large turbocharger, the power unit reaching a maximum output of 200 kW/272 bhp at 4,400 rpm.
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Indeed, but the implication was that the 535d couldn't maintain a cruise with less than 1,500rpm? Surely it can like my 530d???

BetterMakeWay

Indeed, but the implication was that the 535d couldn't maintain a cruise with less than 1,500rpm? Surely it can like my 530d???
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Surley it can. But the fact is that even at around 1100 rpm the fuel meter is somewhere below 10. (8-9). Rarely drops around 5. That's not too much of a economy.
Most of the time i average around 13L/100km in city drive. Is the traffic is very heavy i reach even 15l.

0700700

Indeed, but the implication was that the 535d couldn't maintain a cruise with less than 1,500rpm? Surely it can like my 530d???
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Surley it can. But the fact is that even at around 1100 rpm the fuel meter is somewhere below 10. (8-9). Rarely drops around 5. That's not too much of a economy.
Most of the time i average around 13L/100km in city drive. Is the traffic is very heavy i reach even 15l.
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BetterMakeWay, i try to be as fair as possible in my arguments, but i am slightly annoyed how you and other people make fun of a car that you have not even driven. I can tell you that i have driven both around a track (1.2km public road at night but thats different) and the e420cdi is A BETTER car.. Sure it is not as composed under cornering, but the brakes are far better and fade proof and the gearbox.. oh the gearbox. The way it holds a gear to keep the car steady while cornering, the way it progressively downshifts when your approaching a turn, the way it keeps the two turbos working hard all the time is AMAZING...

Now i understand your judgement that BMW is better then MB around a track but that has validity for the m5 vs the e55. Your car is a standard bmw 5 series, and as such is not much better than a standard e-class. And besides the sports option only offers you stiffer suspension , does offer you bigger fade free-brakes or a retuning of the gearbox , now does it ?


So before making grand comments, and saying that A is better than B , i would like to ask you to visit your nearest dealer and ask for a demo of an e420cdi amg, and then maybe youll come to the conclusion that an e270cdi is no match for a 525d but the same does not extend to teh whole line-up.


me personally i have an e55 ordered, and im getting the 535d since i only need one dragster in the family

BetterMakeWay

Indeed, but the implication was that the 535d couldn't maintain a cruise with less than 1,500rpm? Surely it can like my 530d???
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Surley it can. But the fact is that even at around 1100 rpm the fuel meter is somewhere below 10. (8-9). Rarely drops around 5. That's not too much of a economy.
Most of the time i average around 13L/100km in city drive. Is the traffic is very heavy i reach even 15l.
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BetterMakeWay, i try to be as fair as possible in my arguments, but i am slightly annoyed how you and other people make fun of a car that you have not even driven. I can tell you that i have driven both around a track (1.2km public road at night but thats different) and the e420cdi is A BETTER car.. Sure it is not as composed under cornering, but the brakes are far better and fade proof and the gearbox.. oh the gearbox. The way it holds a gear to keep the car steady while cornering, the way it progressively downshifts when your approaching a turn, the way it keeps the two turbos working hard all the time is AMAZING...

Now i understand your judgement that BMW is better then MB around a track but that has validity for the m5 vs the e55. Your car is a standard bmw 5 series, and as such is not much better than a standard e-class. And besides the sports option only offers you stiffer suspension , does offer you bigger fade free-brakes or a retuning of the gearbox , now does it ?


So before making grand comments, and saying that A is better than B , i would like to ask you to visit your nearest dealer and ask for a demo of an e420cdi amg, and then maybe youll come to the conclusion that an e270cdi is no match for a 525d but the same does not extend to teh whole line-up.


me personally i have an e55 ordered, and im getting the 535d since i only need one dragster in the family
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0700700

fantastic contribution

Ricracing

Comparing E M-B and the 5-series in tech theory;

M-B E 420 cdi: V8 4.0 litre twin-turbo. 231 kW and 730 Nm.
BMW 535d: R6 3.0 litre twin-turbo. 200 kW and 560 Nm. Update coming.

The M-B can be equipped with AMG package, the BMW can have the M-package.


M-B E55: V8 5.4 litre twin-turbo. 350 kW and 700 Nm.
BMW M5: V10 5.0 litre without turbo. 373 kW and 520 Nm.

Nothing beats cubic inches and turbos.
But the handling is then a other thing...

Robert J

Hmmm... I thought this thread was about the 535d twin-turbo diesel. Now it's all of a sudden a fight between MB AMG E55 and the M5. Please come back to the 535d!

If you still want to have the MB mentioned in the tread, how is it a E320CDI compared with the 535d?

535D Sport

Indeed, I was only explaining the difference between the two engines as Robert J had said that perhaps the 535d was different to the 530d. Personally I don't give a toss what rpm/speed my car will cruise at it's just great to drive at any speed.

BetterMakeWay

I simply heard enough of mb that it almost makes me sick.
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