535d small turbo failure story
Originally Posted by aybeesea' post='434416' date='Jun 11 2007, 07:36 AM
Sometimes you just have to go with the heart.
Had mine done last week and it's transformed the car. Did a 235 mile trip yesterday in something under 3 hours. OBC (OK we know you have to take it with a pinch of salt) showed 84mph average and 37.6mpg(Imperial).
The 85-105mph "overtaking" acceleration is phenomenal.
Whether you see me posting with a blown turbo story remains to be seen... I don't recall any other 535d blown turbos reported on here, remap or not.
ABC
Had mine done last week and it's transformed the car. Did a 235 mile trip yesterday in something under 3 hours. OBC (OK we know you have to take it with a pinch of salt) showed 84mph average and 37.6mpg(Imperial).
The 85-105mph "overtaking" acceleration is phenomenal.
Whether you see me posting with a blown turbo story remains to be seen... I don't recall any other 535d blown turbos reported on here, remap or not.
ABC
Who did it?
Originally Posted by Carbon Based Biped' post='434248' date='Jun 10 2007, 03:54 PM
When I recieve the report I will let the forum know but it is a bit worrying after owning three Lancer Evo's and a Subaru WRX previously over the last 9 years with no probs whatsoever.
; it's a dog below 2500 rpm but seems OK after that. It's as though the small turbo's wastegate is stuck open and not generating any boost. No funny noises, smoke or warning lights, just a slug of a car at low rpms. And since the gearbox software expects big torque at low rpms it doesn't downshift unless you just about floor the throttle.
In reading up on the operation of the 535d sequential turbos it would appear that all intake air passes through both turbos, first through the large one and then the small one. There's no wastegate on the small turbo, only on the large one. A computer controlled valve distributes the flow of exhaust gases between the two turbos; I guess this is effectively the wastegate for the small turbo. I find it interesting that all air flows through the small turbo; I would have thought that the compressor wheel would add significant resistance.
So my issue sounds like it might be one of the exhaust distribution valve being stuck in one position.
So my issue sounds like it might be one of the exhaust distribution valve being stuck in one position.
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Originally Posted by phelix' post='522626' date='Jan 25 2008, 08:45 AM
In reading up on the operation of the 535d sequential turbos it would appear that all intake air passes through both turbos, first through the large one and then the small one. There's no wastegate on the small turbo, only on the large one. A computer controlled valve distributes the flow of exhaust gases between the two turbos; I guess this is effectively the wastegate for the small turbo. I find it interesting that all air flows through the small turbo; I would have thought that the compressor wheel would add significant resistance.
So my issue sounds like it might be one of the exhaust distribution valve being stuck in one position.
So my issue sounds like it might be one of the exhaust distribution valve being stuck in one position.
Hi Phelix
Good research there. I recall a technical cut-away diag. of our engine, but it was about the launch time.
As you know, the units fitted to this engine are much simpler than the variable-vane one so prone to failure on the smaller output, single turbo cars. In my view this should make ours more reliable!
Still, not much confort if you've problems. I'd say you've probably narrowed it down well in terms of the exhaust gas distribution. Its could be that you've popped one of the hoses off or got a boost leak somewhere.
Is your car re-mapped? - could increase liklihood of hose coming of or leaking IMO.
Good luck with fixing ASAP - keep us in the loop.
Originally Posted by jonno_' post='522637' date='Jan 25 2008, 05:29 AM
Hi Phelix
Good research there. I recall a technical cut-away diag. of our engine, but it was about the launch time.
As you know, the units fitted to this engine are much simpler than the variable-vane one so prone to failure on the smaller output, single turbo cars. In my view this should make ours more reliable!
Still, not much confort if you've problems. I'd say you've probably narrowed it down well in terms of the exhaust gas distribution. Its could be that you've popped one of the hoses off or got a boost leak somewhere.
Is your car re-mapped? - could increase liklihood of hose coming of or leaking IMO.
Good luck with fixing ASAP - keep us in the loop.
Good research there. I recall a technical cut-away diag. of our engine, but it was about the launch time.
As you know, the units fitted to this engine are much simpler than the variable-vane one so prone to failure on the smaller output, single turbo cars. In my view this should make ours more reliable!
Still, not much confort if you've problems. I'd say you've probably narrowed it down well in terms of the exhaust gas distribution. Its could be that you've popped one of the hoses off or got a boost leak somewhere.
Is your car re-mapped? - could increase liklihood of hose coming of or leaking IMO.
Good luck with fixing ASAP - keep us in the loop.
Here's a good cutaway of the turbo system

And I was wrong with what I posted earlier; when the large turbo is at full boost inlet air no longer flows through the small turbo.
So guessing some more; perhaps the flap that allows air to bypass the small turbo is stuck open.
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That sounds right now.
Hope its just the actuator/flap rather than an exchange turbo(!)
Don't want to jinx things, but it would be the first failure I've heard of, and there must be lots of 100k+ mile examples of the 535d now.
Hope its a quick(cheap) fix.
Hope its just the actuator/flap rather than an exchange turbo(!)
Don't want to jinx things, but it would be the first failure I've heard of, and there must be lots of 100k+ mile examples of the 535d now.
Hope its a quick(cheap) fix.
Tis sorted. I took the airbox out to get a good look at the arrangement of the turbos and the various flaps and noticed that the vacuum line that controls the exhaust distribution valve was badly chafed where it runs across a sharpish corner. I couldn't get a replacement piece before the local dealer closed so shortened and re-routed it and put everything back together. All's back to how it was before.
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Originally Posted by Carbon Based Biped' post='434253' date='Jun 10 2007, 09:19 PM
I don't know to be honest, I do know that the master technician was apparently baffled as the diagnostic computer was telling him one thing and a good old fashoined boost gauge the other.
Sorry to dig this one up again.
Do you know what the actual issue was? Do you know what they replaced and did the warranty cover it?
Thanks!


