Ordered '06. What's this on the invoice?
08-23-2005, 09:44 AM
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My Ride: E60
MACO $425
TRAINING SERVICE FEE $180.00
These two charges appear right before the desitnation charge (and I was expecting that one). This is not an MSRP charge. This is listed on my dealer's invoice. I'm not happy about this extra $600.
TRAINING SERVICE FEE $180.00
These two charges appear right before the desitnation charge (and I was expecting that one). This is not an MSRP charge. This is listed on my dealer's invoice. I'm not happy about this extra $600.
08-23-2005, 10:41 AM
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Weird charges. Even though those charges add up to $600 extra, the price is only +$80 over the invoice price quoted on kbb.com. So I can live with it. I'm already getting this car for only $1000 over invoice.
Originally Posted by my530i' date='Aug 23 2005, 11:54 AM
Those are ripped off fee from stealer.
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08-23-2005, 11:35 AM
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My Ride: '05 545i, silver gray, black leather with anthracite maple wood, sport package, premium sound, navigation, cold weather package, electric rear sunshade, folding rear seat, satellite radio prep, PIAA 4150K fogs, red rear reflectors, hardwired Valentine One
MACO is a marketing area co-op advertising fee (usually 1% of base factory invoice). Apparently dealers in certain geographies are part of a co-op for advertising. My dealer tried to stick me with that after we negotiated a mark up over factory invoice. He said it's part of his cost...I told him then we needed to include the holdback...he backed down! The training fee is also another BS fee from my perspective (my dealer didn't even try that one on me...). Sure they need to train their sales reps--they also need to provide them with health insurance and other benefits, but I'm not including that when I negotiate a markup over factory invoice. Why don't they add utility fees and mortgage interest fees as well?!!! And a prorated share of the free coffee and doughnuts. 
To be sure you have the right factory invoice numbers, have a look here:
http://www.e60.net/information/2006_...es_Pricing.pdf
To be sure you have the right factory invoice numbers, have a look here:
http://www.e60.net/information/2006_...es_Pricing.pdf
08-23-2005, 11:37 AM
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I just bought my 06 530i a week ago. It's not push start yet. Are they going to change to "push start" in the same model year??
08-23-2005, 12:18 PM
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Push start is only on cars manufactured after September 2005 - a European definition of a 2006 model rather than the US version
08-23-2005, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Freewilly' date='Aug 23 2005, 09:37 PM
I just bought my 06 530i a week ago.? It's? not push start yet.? Are they going to change to "push start" in the same model year??
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If built before 09/06 it's a MY05, labeled as an MY06 for strange US marketing reasons.
08-23-2005, 05:22 PM
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No matter, your dealer did pay BMW for those MACO and System & Training fees. If these fees show up in the DCS Vehicle Inquiry - Wholesale they are real. Also there is no such thing as holdback with BMW. Dealers get additional compensation based on customer satisfaction indexes, dollars they invest in their dealership infrastructure, etc. I'm not justifying these fees but they are legitimate in that the money goes to BMW, not the dealer. If the dealer was willing to give them up that's fine but everyone should understand what goes into whose pocket. The dealer isn't always trying to rip customers off.
Originally Posted by stream' date='Aug 23 2005, 12:35 PM
MACO is a marketing area co-op advertising fee (usually 1% of base factory invoice).? Apparently dealers in certain geographies are part of a co-op for advertising.? My dealer tried to stick me with that after we negotiated a mark up over factory invoice.? He said it's part of his cost...I told him then we needed to include the holdback...he backed down!? The training fee is also another BS fee from my perspective (my dealer didn't even try that one on me...).? Sure they need to train their sales reps--they also need to provide them with health insurance and other benefits, but I'm not including that when I negotiate a markup over factory invoice.? Why don't they add utility fees and mortgage interest fees as well?!!!? And a prorated share of the free coffee and doughnuts.
To be sure you have the right factory invoice numbers, have a look here:
http://www.e60.net/information/2006_...es_Pricing.pdf
To be sure you have the right factory invoice numbers, have a look here:
http://www.e60.net/information/2006_...es_Pricing.pdf
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08-25-2005, 11:36 AM
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Yeah, strange like selling more cars than your competitors because you can advertise significant improvements (e.g. the single most important component: the engine) have been made to the vehicle over the 05.
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Originally Posted by Iceman' date='Aug 23 2005, 02:48 PM
It's not a "real" MY06 if it's built before September 2005 !
If built before 09/06 it's a MY05, labeled as an MY06 for strange US marketing reasons.?
If built before 09/06 it's a MY05, labeled as an MY06 for strange US marketing reasons.?
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