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AMCI is a consulting firm that appears to specialize in automotive marketing and brand launches. Looks like they have many of the major manufacturers as clients (though oddly not BMW, it appears) and they have handled a fair number of high profile auto launches. So - not quite an independent review (Consumer Reports comes closest to this), but I've got no reason to doubt the veracity of the tests. Based on the discussion that they have generated on here, I'd say they are certainly earning their money on this one...
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Originally Posted by UUronL' post='663688' date='Sep 6 2008, 09:45 PM
Huh? What do I have to say? I'm telling you information from a source whose driving pedigree and biases I know inside-and-out. That's at least one step less-removed from the car than the opinions and inferences being drawn here based on Hyundai marketing and automotive press coverage.
I doubt it's a new benchmark, and I doubt any of us will run out and buy one. So far, none of us are saying that.
As I have stated before, competition is good. I'd be happy if its mere presence helped lower the cost of competing established cars (like our cars), or if it made the established automakers try harder and innovate more quickly.
22 years ago, people were saying the same thing about the first Acura and Lexus offerings. They were half the price of the cars that they supposedly couldn't compete against. Fast forward to today... these same cars are only a small percentage cheaper.
I doubt it's a new benchmark, and I doubt any of us will run out and buy one. So far, none of us are saying that.
As I have stated before, competition is good. I'd be happy if its mere presence helped lower the cost of competing established cars (like our cars), or if it made the established automakers try harder and innovate more quickly.
22 years ago, people were saying the same thing about the first Acura and Lexus offerings. They were half the price of the cars that they supposedly couldn't compete against. Fast forward to today... these same cars are only a small percentage cheaper.
They say it competes with the 7 series and the MB S-Class, but did anyone see the ads on NBC during the Bears-Colts game? They compared it to a 530i. Yes. A 530i. A model that's almost two years old. So what do I believe now? Can I look forward to seeing the new 5er accelerated faster than a Geo Prizm, handle better than a Chevy Suburban and get better mileage than an H2? I mean, the Genesis was put against a sports car (Boxster), an executive sedan (the 7 series), and apparently a sport sedan (530i). Why can't it be put in one class and tested against cars of that same class?
I'm not really hating on the car. Fine, it's progress for the the company and competition for the others, but alot of the posts of some members make it seem as if our investments in the 5er seem kinda pointless because there's a car that can do almost everything better. And some of us are threatened and are trying to find out more and when we do, we find that the statistics are a bit skewed.
Is it really competition when it is released at the end of the current generation of the E-Class and the 5er? Won't it then live in shadow of the next generation, which hopefully will be more powerful and just improve all-around? The it becomes, again, a fraction of the luxury for a fraction of the price, and then quickly jumps, yet again, to another car class (cars under 45k or something, I dunno).
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I work at a Ford/Hyundai dealership in SoCal , and all you have to do is pop the drunk and take a look at the cheap A$$ subwoofer and wires exposed ..
I drive those things ,and they are not close to 5 or 7 as compared to in the video .. thats my take on this thread ,don't believe the hype ..
thanx ...
I drive those things ,and they are not close to 5 or 7 as compared to in the video .. thats my take on this thread ,don't believe the hype ..
thanx ...
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Originally Posted by E60714' post='664403' date='Sep 7 2008, 10:41 PM
They say it competes with the 7 series and the MB S-Class, but did anyone see the ads on NBC during the Bears-Colts game? They compared it to a 530i. Yes. A 530i. A model that's almost two years old. So what do I believe now? Can I look forward to seeing the new 5er accelerated faster than a Geo Prizm, handle better than a Chevy Suburban and get better mileage than an H2? I mean, the Genesis was put against a sports car (Boxster), an executive sedan (the 7 series), and apparently a sport sedan (530i). Why can't it be put in one class and tested against cars of that same class?
I'm not really hating on the car. Fine, it's progress for the the company and competition for the others, but alot of the posts of some members make it seem as if our investments in the 5er seem kinda pointless because there's a car that can do almost everything better. And some of us are threatened and are trying to find out more and when we do, we find that the statistics are a bit skewed.
I'm not really hating on the car. Fine, it's progress for the the company and competition for the others, but alot of the posts of some members make it seem as if our investments in the 5er seem kinda pointless because there's a car that can do almost everything better. And some of us are threatened and are trying to find out more and when we do, we find that the statistics are a bit skewed.
Also not sure why you feel some of the posts are suggesting that the members' collective investment in their E60's was wasted, or that this particular car is somehow better than their current vehicle. No one post on this thread has suggested anything to this effect. What you are, seeing, however (from posters that have the ability to think laterally as well as literally) is recognition that the game is changing and that some old prejudices might need to be revisited.
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='662363' date='Sep 5 2008, 01:01 AM
... More quality product like this, and some of the opinions posted here will have to change...
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Originally Posted by Rudy' post='663730' date='Sep 7 2008, 12:53 AM
I suppose -- except that I had to look up what the hell a FleshLight was...
And after having looked it up, I don't think that's something I would even have volunteered to knowing about (or even referenced it at all.) indeed!
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I think the target audiance is like Saab's or Volvo's. I would have bought this car, but this is what I could afford. It's the poor man luxary car. Hyundai loses what a crazy 50% value or something in the first two years? Anyone who buys in new is going to lose there shirt in the first two years. I give the car credit for what it is, and that is a step in the right direction for a car line that hopes to over take Honda and Toyota in the next few years.
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Originally Posted by baadaaboo' post='663706' date='Sep 7 2008, 12:43 PM
I've done business with korean before, I don't trust "ANY" of their stuff (including cars) anymore. Cunning and lying bastards, therefore the comparison in their website is 90% BS.
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='664398' date='Sep 8 2008, 02:37 PM
AMCI is a consulting firm that appears to specialize in automotive marketing and brand launches. Looks like they have many of the major manufacturers as clients (though oddly not BMW, it appears) and they have handled a fair number of high profile auto launches. So - not quite an independent review (Consumer Reports comes closest to this), but I've got no reason to doubt the veracity of the tests. Based on the discussion that they have generated on here, I'd say they are certainly earning their money on this one...
Here is AMCI's website URL.
http://www.amcimarketing.com/home.php