2007 Audi RS4
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Originally Posted by Shebs' date='Oct 5 2005, 05:11 AM
With all my respect to all who think that this car is over priced:
This car accelerates from 0-125 mph in 16.6 seconds, has shown a top speed of 193 mph with the limiter off.
This car has a quattro system, which will give it more stability than the M3 or the M5. That is also why it is so heavy as one of the forum members stated. The complicated quattro system with two extra differentials doesn't come light.
The piston speed in this car is one of the fastest in the world reaching 25 m/s, which is as fast as a formula 1 piston.
IMHO, this car is great , and I think BMW will have a very hard time creating an M3 that is more stable or faster than this at this price.
This car accelerates from 0-125 mph in 16.6 seconds, has shown a top speed of 193 mph with the limiter off.
This car has a quattro system, which will give it more stability than the M3 or the M5. That is also why it is so heavy as one of the forum members stated. The complicated quattro system with two extra differentials doesn't come light.
The piston speed in this car is one of the fastest in the world reaching 25 m/s, which is as fast as a formula 1 piston.
IMHO, this car is great , and I think BMW will have a very hard time creating an M3 that is more stable or faster than this at this price.
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Possibly. I think they'll be able to create a damn nice M3 at that ridiculous price. AWD is nice in a fast car as long as it's biased correctly. If it's the usual understeer and plow configuration Audi favors, then feh.
Interesting factoids about the piston speed, but will it really provide any real enjoyment to the owner?
Sorry, but I'll say this -again-, if you want to go really fast - all these cars are the wrong way to go. This is what a Z06 will do:
C/D TEST RESULTS
ACCELERATION: Seconds
Zero to 30 mph: 1.6
40 mph: 2.2
50 mph: 2.8
60 mph: 3.6
70 mph: 4.5
80 mph: 5.5
90 mph: 6.7
100 mph: 7.9
110 mph: 9.3
120 mph: 11.0
130 mph: 12.8
140 mph: 15.0
150 mph: 17.5
Street start, 5-60 mph: 4.3
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 12.9
50-70 mph: 10.6
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.7 sec @ 125 mph
Top speed (drag limited, mfr's claim): 198 mph
All figures were actual Car and Driver test data, except for the top speed number. Note the Quarter Mile ETA - the trap speed was 125mph, so that means it will do 0-125 in 11.7sec.
Oh, and this is the cost:
Price as tested: $69,995
Price and option breakdown: base Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (includes $800 freight), $65,800; 2LZ package (includes heated seats, power-telescoping steering wheel, 6-CD changer, satellite radio), $2900; polished wheels, $1295
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?se...1&page_number=1
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There are deffinitely cars out there that are just as fast or faster and cheaper, but then you'd be comparing apples to oranges for the most part. If I had all the money in the world, my first car would still be a four door performance sedan. I love the RS4 and just curious how it rates among 4-door sport sedans such as the C55, CTS-V, 300 SRT-8, M3 (2-door exception)....etc... I guess I'm looking at the entry level performance class.
It just occured to me that the STi and EVO could be lumped into this category. Awesome performances from both and at less than half the potential price of the RS4. I would still choose the RS4 though.
It just occured to me that the STi and EVO could be lumped into this category. Awesome performances from both and at less than half the potential price of the RS4. I would still choose the RS4 though.
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Originally Posted by EuroCarFan' date='Oct 5 2005, 09:37 AM
There are deffinitely cars out there that are just as? fast or faster and cheaper, but then you'd be comparing apples to oranges for the most part.? If I had all the money in the world, my first car would still be a four door performance sedan.? I love the RS4 and just curious how it rates among 4-door sport sedans such as the C55, CTS-V, 300 SRT-8, M3 (2-door exception)....etc...? I guess I'm looking at the entry level performance class.
It just occured to me that the STi and EVO could be lumped into this category.? Awesome performances from both and at less than half the potential price of the RS4.? I would still choose the RS4 though.
It just occured to me that the STi and EVO could be lumped into this category.? Awesome performances from both and at less than half the potential price of the RS4.? I would still choose the RS4 though.
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Sure it's apples and oranges, but only for some of the cars mentioned. I think the M3 coupe offers only marginally more utility and is probably going to be a "toy" just as a Corvette would be to its potential owner. For the $70K sticker, I'd definitely roll the Z06 into the decision making process along with the M3 coupe.
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Originally Posted by Shebs' date='Oct 5 2005, 05:11 AM
With all my respect to all who think that this car is over priced:
This car accelerates from 0-125 mph in 16.6 seconds, has shown a top speed of 193 mph with the limiter off.
This car has a quattro system, which will give it more stability than the M3 or the M5. That is also why it is so heavy as one of the forum members stated. The complicated quattro system with two extra differentials doesn't come light.
The piston speed in this car is one of the fastest in the world reaching 25 m/s, which is as fast as a formula 1 piston.
IMHO, this car is great , and I think BMW will have a very hard time creating an M3 that is more stable or faster than this at this price.
This car accelerates from 0-125 mph in 16.6 seconds, has shown a top speed of 193 mph with the limiter off.
This car has a quattro system, which will give it more stability than the M3 or the M5. That is also why it is so heavy as one of the forum members stated. The complicated quattro system with two extra differentials doesn't come light.
The piston speed in this car is one of the fastest in the world reaching 25 m/s, which is as fast as a formula 1 piston.
IMHO, this car is great , and I think BMW will have a very hard time creating an M3 that is more stable or faster than this at this price.
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Quattro is not as fun as a rwd, quattro means heavier car and also means a slightly slower top speed than the rwd car (assuming both cars are the same only the transmission is different).
So why do i need quattro? To drive a beafy understeery car...no thanx.
Piston speed? Is that one of the reasons it's so expensive? If so then Audi made a mistake...slow down the piston a bit guys and drop the price ...that would result more sales.
The car is exactly in the price range of the m5. heheheh even an audi freak would tend to go with the bimmer.
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I think anyone buying the RS4 is not making a smart choice at all. Too much money...not worth it.....although I love the way it looks....i'll get an M5 anyday.....not much price difference
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Originally Posted by SteveHI' date='Oct 3 2005, 03:08 PM
400-hp seems to be the minimum requirement in this segment.? The price ranges I've seen have varied from below $60k to upwards of $80k.? I doubt there would be much market acceptance at the high end of these prices.
That said, I think a premium compact sedan or coupe with a 350-hp V-8 for $50-60k would be the right price point in this market, rather than engaging in a HP war with the competition.
That said, I think a premium compact sedan or coupe with a 350-hp V-8 for $50-60k would be the right price point in this market, rather than engaging in a HP war with the competition.
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The pricing (rough) for the Audi's are as follows:
RS6 approx. 80k
RS4 approx. 65k
Both are kick ass cars, but as othes have said give me a Z06 any day of the week. The Z06 is a supercar priced at under 70k, amazing.
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Originally Posted by Jeffs' date='Nov 1 2005, 12:17 PM
I think anyone buying the RS4 is not making a smart choice at all. Too much money...not worth it.....although I love the way it looks....i'll get an M5 anyday.....not much price difference
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Originally Posted by UUronL' date='Oct 5 2005, 09:19 AM
[quote name='Shebs' date='Oct 5 2005, 05:11 AM']With all my respect to all who think that this car is over priced:
This car accelerates from 0-125 mph in 16.6 seconds, has shown a top speed of 193 mph with the limiter off.
This car has a quattro system, which will give it more stability than the M3 or the M5. That is also why it is so heavy as one of the forum members stated. The complicated quattro system with two extra differentials doesn't come light.
The piston speed in this car is one of the fastest in the world reaching 25 m/s, which is as fast as a formula 1 piston.
IMHO, this car is great , and I think BMW will have a very hard time creating an M3 that is more stable or faster than this at this price.
This car accelerates from 0-125 mph in 16.6 seconds, has shown a top speed of 193 mph with the limiter off.
This car has a quattro system, which will give it more stability than the M3 or the M5. That is also why it is so heavy as one of the forum members stated. The complicated quattro system with two extra differentials doesn't come light.
The piston speed in this car is one of the fastest in the world reaching 25 m/s, which is as fast as a formula 1 piston.
IMHO, this car is great , and I think BMW will have a very hard time creating an M3 that is more stable or faster than this at this price.
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Possibly. I think they'll be able to create a damn nice M3 at that ridiculous price. AWD is nice in a fast car as long as it's biased correctly. If it's the usual understeer and plow configuration Audi favors, then feh.
Interesting factoids about the piston speed, but will it really provide any real enjoyment to the owner?
Sorry, but I'll say this -again-, if you want to go really fast - all these cars are the wrong way to go. This is what a Z06 will do:
C/D TEST RESULTS
ACCELERATION: Seconds
Zero to 30 mph: 1.6
40 mph: 2.2
50 mph: 2.8
60 mph: 3.6
70 mph: 4.5
80 mph: 5.5
90 mph: 6.7
100 mph: 7.9
110 mph: 9.3
120 mph: 11.0
130 mph: 12.8
140 mph: 15.0
150 mph: 17.5
Street start, 5-60 mph: 4.3
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 12.9
50-70 mph: 10.6
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.7 sec @ 125 mph
Top speed (drag limited, mfr's claim): 198 mph
All figures were actual Car and Driver test data, except for the top speed number. Note the Quarter Mile ETA - the trap speed was 125mph, so that means it will do 0-125 in 11.7sec.
Oh, and this is the cost:
Price as tested: $69,995
Price and option breakdown: base Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (includes $800 freight), $65,800; 2LZ package (includes heated seats, power-telescoping steering wheel, 6-CD changer, satellite radio), $2900; polished wheels, $1295
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?se...1&page_number=1
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[/quote]No, the Z06 is an economy car:
FUEL ECONOMY
EPA city driving: 16 mpg
EPA highway driving: 26 mpg
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the RS4 is sweet....but no way can it compete with the M5....thats why its not worth it....
wow.....those numbers for the ZO6 are amazing considering their mammoth engine....
thats one awesome car....yet to see it in person...but I am sure to stay away from one on the highway
wow.....those numbers for the ZO6 are amazing considering their mammoth engine....
thats one awesome car....yet to see it in person...but I am sure to stay away from one on the highway