Originally Posted by BMRMEUP' post='985332' date='Aug 22 2009, 06:25 AM

These are good points Iceman but I have a couple of thoughts to add. Certainly you're not obligated to answer a question you've answered before. I wouldn't want to either. If you still want to be helpful though, posting the link to a past response is very helpful and a little less trouble (though I admit, even searching back through my own posts, which are relatively few, is not that easy). Part of the issue is people (like myself) learning how a forum works, and what the accepted protocol is. To that end, I think it's ok to tell someone that a topic has been posted before and to try the search. About the search function...that is part of the difficulty and I don't know what the answer is. For myself, I had searched AND searched for something I was interested in...but when I posted the question someone came up with a topic right away. Turns out the OP had mis-spelled the key word, so my search didn't connect. So..my point is that you can't always just assume someone didn't search...but this often happens and is why we see people throwing up a white flag when they post their topic... Personally, I don't think it's necessary to hate on anyone for asking a question. Mostly people are interested and trying to learn. If you REALLY think it's stupid...just move on. No harm, no foul.....

Originally Posted by BMRMEUP' post='985332' date='Aug 22 2009, 03:25 PM

These are good points Iceman but I have a couple of thoughts to add. Certainly you're not obligated to answer a question you've answered before. I wouldn't want to either. If you still want to be helpful though, posting the link to a past response is very helpful and a little less trouble (though I admit, even searching back through my own posts, which are relatively few, is not that easy). Part of the issue is people (like myself) learning how a forum works, and what the accepted protocol is. To that end, I think it's ok to tell someone that a topic has been posted before and to try the search. About the search function...that is part of the difficulty and I don't know what the answer is. For myself, I had searched AND searched for something I was interested in...but when I posted the question someone came up with a topic right away. Turns out the OP had mis-spelled the key word, so my search didn't connect. So..my point is that you can't always just assume someone didn't search...but this often happens and is why we see people throwing up a white flag when they post their topic... Personally, I don't think it's necessary to hate on anyone for asking a question. Mostly people are interested and trying to learn. If you REALLY think it's stupid...just move on. No harm, no foul.....

Originally Posted by Iceman' post='985495' date='Aug 22 2009, 12:49 PM

I said "stupid" and used "", because it is not what I feel but what most of the times is felt by people on forums in such situations.
Now, asking me to post a link to another thread where your wuestion has been answered before is simple asking another person to do the search for you.

As you probably have found out, in our little community we do help people. We also help if a question has been answered a hundred times before.
The E60 is on the market so long, there are probably no unanswered questions here. Every possible question has been asked and answered before.
So, searching the forum is the best option everyone has, before posting a new topic.
If you post a new topic and people tell you to use the search function, the same applies to you what you suggested in your above quoted post: ...just move on.
If you have searched and couldn't find the answer, post it and say that you couldn't find the answer. Because we are a "nice" community we will then not tell you to search, we will just answer your question. Maybe someone will run a search and give you the link, who knows.

Thing is, it happens too often... WAAAAAAAAY too often!!! that people are just ignorant of the search function and post their stuff without thinking and without searching.
That's cool and I partly agree, could you just make it known to the noobs to exhaust they're search function and add the "I already tried searching for it" disclaimer when they sign up as to avoid you getting frustrated cuz it's bound to keep happening problem solved
serioulsy you have to assume this is everyones first forum and they aren't going to be accustomed to the search protocall and the order of the search to question posting order that you want to see happen?
Just the same with posting in the main forum!!!
I myself find this posting behavior much more disrespectful and annoying than asking a question that has been answered numerous times before.

Originally Posted by DRANGED' post='985232

And since Rudy and me both now use penguins as avatars...

Originally Posted by BALASUBAS' post='985527' date='Aug 22 2009, 02:01 PM

me personally wont get annoyed =) i feel for the new members and maybe also for the lazy members if only i know the answer or if i can find the answer for them i'll gladly help, im a post whore wanna be what can i do

but really so far members here have been and still very helpful in "everything" sometimes they tend to make fun of some topics but its all part of the forums and shouldn't be taken personally,, and really am very very thankful of this forum coz if waren't for this forum it be hard to have and most probably you'll spend tons of money going to dealer all the time for most of the stuff you wanna know about your car my 2cents

Originally Posted by Iceman' post='985226' date='Aug 22 2009, 12:20 AM

Yes it is a big deal.

This lazyness lead to a couple problems:
Members are getting annoyed by reading the same question again and again and again...
And by answering the question again and again and again...

Answering some questions takes time. Would you like to spend that time for answering questions that have been asked one hundred times before?
And if you don't answer the question, this community doesn't look as useful/helpful as it is. So people do waste their time answering "stupid", because have been asked/answered many times before, questions.



Another thing, wich annoys me MUCH more is the ignorancy of the forums structure!!!
People think it is cool to post ANY topic in the main forum, even though there is a better/correct (!!!) subforum for it!!!

This is ignorant and stupid! And people who moderate the forums need to look at the topics and then move them to the correct forum... Much time spent for basically nothing, because someone refused to think about the CORRECT and BEST place to post the topic.

Originally Posted by flyingpuck' post='985532' date='Aug 22 2009, 02:08 PM

So are you saying we need new and better Moderators here??

Originally Posted by flyingpuck' post='985532' date='Aug 22 2009, 11:08 PM

So are you saying we need new and better Moderators here??

Originally Posted by Iceman' post='985547' date='Aug 22 2009, 02:29 PM

Where did I said that?





This forum has two excellent admins and a superb moderator named Rudy... That's all it needs so far...
And then there's me, messing everything up...