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Old 02-13-2007, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by xexyus' post='390712' date='Feb 12 2007, 08:52 PM
I remember that article on that 750. If I remember correctly it was slow as hell or something I dont know. Thats crazy that something in 1999 still hasnt materialized into production if it is such a savior to our planet.
well considering the new hydrogen 7 does 0-60 in around 9 seconds (right?) you can just about guess how quick the previous one was ... sorry to be pessimistic, but i see it as a publicity stunt
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Originally Posted by uglybear' post='390796' date='Feb 12 2007, 08:30 PM
I don't think hydrogen is alternative to gasoline really. Why build another distribution network for hydrogen when electrical network is already in place and with Li batteries (and some new, air-something batteries) one can have elestrical car. Tesla is selling fast roadster for $92K and is planning to build a sedan for $60K in the next year or two. 100% electrical sedan (+ maybe very small gasoline engine that can charge battery in case there is no outlet around) is the future.

correct, it is not CURRENTLY an alternative, but if the investments were made into the technology to produce hydrogen efficiently, then it could be an alternative....As for electricity, it is clearly NOT an alternative for mass useage. First, its very expensive and short ranged. Also, do you know the life cycle and then recycle of those Li batteries are? They are extremely expensive, and not long lasting leaving a toxic waste as they are disposed. We will not know for about 5 years as to the residual effect of all the Hybrid cars on the road today in the US to see the long term reliability issues, but its not looking good, just think about all those big batteries after 5 years when they're obsolete, what are you going to do with them???

as for the real "WHY" ....well, we can manufacture hydrogen free of Foreign govt's, so we gain an energy independence that is currently causing us many issues in the world right now, if you know what i mean..so, it is absolutely a path that we must explore
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Originally Posted by m630' post='391144' date='Feb 13 2007, 04:01 PM
well, we can manufacture hydrogen free of Foreign govt's, so we gain an energy independence that is currently causing us many issues in the world right now, if you know what i mean..so, it is absolutely a path that we must explore
We may well need to explore that path but, IMHO, nuke-produced electrical power and cars that use it is the only long-term solution. To further add, if we stop importing oil from the middle east there will be much more turmoil in the world than we have now. Those guys are squandering their oil money leaving no capital generating infrastructure in place to support their teeming masses when the oil's gone. That's when the real Armageddon happens. Off the soap box now - going to take a spin in my gas-guzzlin' Bimmer and enjoy the ride whilst I can.
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surely i agree that nuclear is the true and only way to solve all of our energy needs for as long as humans will last on this planet, but alas, we are in no society where such possibilities exist....they already protest now as we use them to power our spacecraft for exploration; there would be no way in our life time that its a possibility as an alternative mass consumption use fuel...

...as for any impact that our energy independence eventually leads to any society that is today holding us hostage over this energy issue, i say so be it, bring on armegeddon!!! let them reap what they sow!!!

...nd i've got my V8 idling in the cold as im writing this
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='390589' date='Feb 12 2007, 11:46 PM
old news... as many will tell you , its too little, too late
you forgot I main thing its too much to run too
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