So much for the new WPA wireless encryption....
08-27-2009, 04:13 PM
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that's actually a fallacy. if you're going to be breaking encryption, the utilities you use will show all APs in the area including hidden ones.
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Originally Posted by porsche911targa' post='990758' date='Aug 27 2009, 03:58 PM
Hahaha, I love your new picture. I made one for you, albeit not as sophisticated. I hope you like it.
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Anyway, one of the best things people can do is to set their router to NOT broadcast its existence.
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Anyway, one of the best things people can do is to set their router to NOT broadcast its existence.
08-27-2009, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by porsche911targa' post='990758' date='Aug 27 2009, 06:58 PM
Anyway, one of the best things people can do is to set their router to NOT broadcast its existence.
Nope! The only way you can do that is to switch the power off!
If it's on it's visible. It's very easy to find a non broadcast SSID.
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_NJ' post='990830' date='Aug 27 2009, 08:45 PM
Nope! The only way you can do that is to switch the power off!
If it's on it's visible. It's very easy to find a non broadcast SSID.
If it's on it's visible. It's very easy to find a non broadcast SSID.
08-27-2009, 06:19 PM
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i don't believe in security through obfuscation.
Originally Posted by porsche911targa' post='990931' date='Aug 27 2009, 07:16 PM
Yes, that's assuming someone really wants to hack into YOUR network, but the casual hacker will probably hack into the first network he/she sees, and if your network is hidden you might be a little safer from the casual hacker who just wants to piggy-back on anybody's network.
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Originally Posted by porsche911targa' post='990931' date='Aug 27 2009, 10:16 PM
Yes, that's assuming someone really wants to hack into YOUR network, but the casual hacker will probably hack into the first network he/she sees, and if your network is hidden you might be a little safer from the casual hacker who just wants to piggy-back on anybody's network.
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Originally Posted by porsche911targa' post='990931' date='Aug 27 2009, 10:16 PM
Yes, that's assuming someone really wants to hack into YOUR network, but the casual hacker will probably hack into the first network he/she sees, and if your network is hidden you might be a little safer from the casual hacker who just wants to piggy-back on anybody's network.
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WPA encryption has always been vulnerable. I can crack WPA encryption, and WEP is a joke which can be done in <30 seconds. WPA is a little more involved, I'd say I could get a WPA access point in around 15 minutes, but it may vary. Almost everything is vulnerable in some way. WPA2 is alot more secure than the other two, but with enough time and if someone is dedicated enough it could be cracked in a few months. WPA2 is not uncrackable. As for hidden SSID, its not hidden, it may not broadcast a SSID name, but I can still scan and pick up the mac address and get in. A pre-shared key is like the shadow file on linux where it uses a salt value, which is much harder to crack. Shared keymode is less secure than pre-shared, a church of wifi database with a couple million common passphrases can brute force it.
You can keep thinking that a hacker would not have any interest in your network but that makes you more of a target. You may not have anything of use to someone on a network, but they can use your network to carry out attacks against others or download illegal files off your network. A good example of this is a friend of mine this week who got a call from the MPAA saying they saw activity from his IP downloading District 9 off torrent. He has a open network and did not download it, someone was on his wireless network and downloaded it. I'm not sure what happened, but he could easily be sued because of this. Always be cautious.
Originally Posted by porsche911targa' post='990931' date='Aug 27 2009, 09:16 PM
Yes, that's assuming someone really wants to hack into YOUR network, but the casual hacker will probably hack into the first network he/she sees, and if your network is hidden you might be a little safer from the casual hacker who just wants to piggy-back on anybody's network.
08-27-2009, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tex_phil' post='990992' date='Aug 27 2009, 08:37 PM
WPA encryption has always been vulnerable. I can crack WPA encryption, and WEP is a joke which can be done in <30 seconds. WPA is a little more involved, I'd say I could get a WPA access point in around 15 minutes, but it may vary. Almost everything is vulnerable in some way. WPA2 is alot more secure than the other two, but with enough time and if someone is dedicated enough it could be cracked in a few months. WPA2 is not uncrackable. As for hidden SSID, its not hidden, it may not broadcast a SSID name, but I can still scan and pick up the mac address and get in. A pre-shared key is like the shadow file on linux where it uses a salt value, which is much harder to crack. Shared keymode is less secure than pre-shared, a church of wifi database with a couple million common passphrases can brute force it.
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Originally Posted by tex_phil' post='990992' date='Aug 27 2009, 11:37 PM
WPA encryption has always been vulnerable. I can crack WPA encryption, and WEP is a joke which can be done in <30 seconds. WPA is a little more involved, I'd say I could get a WPA access point in around 15 minutes, but it may vary. Almost everything is vulnerable in some way. WPA2 is alot more secure than the other two, but with enough time and if someone is dedicated enough it could be cracked in a few months. WPA2 is not uncrackable. As for hidden SSID, its not hidden, it may not broadcast a SSID name, but I can still scan and pick up the mac address and get in. A pre-shared key is like the shadow file on linux where it uses a salt value, which is much harder to crack. Shared keymode is less secure than pre-shared, a church of wifi database with a couple million common passphrases can brute force it.
You can keep thinking that a hacker would not have any interest in your network but that makes you more of a target. You may not have anything of use to someone on a network, but they can use your network to carry out attacks against others or download illegal files off your network. A good example of this is a friend of mine this week who got a call from the MPAA saying they saw activity from his IP downloading District 9 off torrent. He has a open network and did not download it, someone was on his wireless network and downloaded it. I'm not sure what happened, but he could easily be sued because of this. Always be cautious.
You can keep thinking that a hacker would not have any interest in your network but that makes you more of a target. You may not have anything of use to someone on a network, but they can use your network to carry out attacks against others or download illegal files off your network. A good example of this is a friend of mine this week who got a call from the MPAA saying they saw activity from his IP downloading District 9 off torrent. He has a open network and did not download it, someone was on his wireless network and downloaded it. I'm not sure what happened, but he could easily be sued because of this. Always be cautious.
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Originally Posted by porsche911targa' post='990758' date='Aug 27 2009, 05:58 PM
Hahaha, I love your new picture. I made one for you, albeit not as sophisticated. I hope you like it.
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Anyway, one of the best things people can do is to set their router to NOT broadcast its existence.
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Anyway, one of the best things people can do is to set their router to NOT broadcast its existence.
AHAHAHAHA! I love it!