Self Fulfilling Prophecy?
02-17-2006, 12:17 AM
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I have a few friends who give me a great deal of stick about driving a BM.
Even one of the companies clients has a poster on his wall at work with a mockup of the DVLA private registrations with an X5 and 'W4NKR' written on the plate and the slogan 'let people know more about you' or somesuch. However hes a Merc man and has an E55 and an AMG spec C class so what does he know ?
On the road its rare ill get let out at junctions with a polite wave. Its rarer still that anyone will thank me for waiting if the road is blocked and only one car can get through at a time.
The junction thing has struck me as somewhat odd. People seem to assume that because you drive a BMW you are going to push your way out in an agressive manner. As such they dont flash you out because they expect you to go anyway.
However because you dont get flashed out and theres no gap being left you end up having to push your way out in true BMW style... Hence the problem.
Its a self fulffilling prophecy.
Everyone expect BM drivers to be arrogant on the road so they leave no gaps and no spaces and rarely let you out.
As a result you are forced to push your way out in an agressive manner or youd be sitting at a junction for all eternity.
Maybe this is just a UK thing im not sure...
Even one of the companies clients has a poster on his wall at work with a mockup of the DVLA private registrations with an X5 and 'W4NKR' written on the plate and the slogan 'let people know more about you' or somesuch. However hes a Merc man and has an E55 and an AMG spec C class so what does he know ?
On the road its rare ill get let out at junctions with a polite wave. Its rarer still that anyone will thank me for waiting if the road is blocked and only one car can get through at a time.
The junction thing has struck me as somewhat odd. People seem to assume that because you drive a BMW you are going to push your way out in an agressive manner. As such they dont flash you out because they expect you to go anyway.
However because you dont get flashed out and theres no gap being left you end up having to push your way out in true BMW style... Hence the problem.
Its a self fulffilling prophecy.
Everyone expect BM drivers to be arrogant on the road so they leave no gaps and no spaces and rarely let you out.
As a result you are forced to push your way out in an agressive manner or youd be sitting at a junction for all eternity.
Maybe this is just a UK thing im not sure...
02-17-2006, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JayJay' post='241688' date='Feb 17 2006, 04:17 AM
Maybe this is just a UK thing im not sure...
...mostly in the US you can get a nod or a thumbs up, ...the arrogant drivers are those suped up hondas and so on that you have to tell to bugger off.... thought we have nice cars, BMs are just another car here 
02-17-2006, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JayJay' post='241688' date='Feb 17 2006, 10:17 AM
I have a few friends who give me a great deal of stick about driving a BM.
Even one of the companies clients has a poster on his wall at work with a mockup of the DVLA private registrations with an X5 and 'W4NKR' written on the plate and the slogan 'let people know more about you' or somesuch. However hes a Merc man and has an E55 and an AMG spec C class so what does he know ?
On the road its rare ill get let out at junctions with a polite wave. Its rarer still that anyone will thank me for waiting if the road is blocked and only one car can get through at a time.
The junction thing has struck me as somewhat odd. People seem to assume that because you drive a BMW you are going to push your way out in an agressive manner. As such they dont flash you out because they expect you to go anyway.
However because you dont get flashed out and theres no gap being left you end up having to push your way out in true BMW style... Hence the problem.
Its a self fulffilling prophecy.
Everyone expect BM drivers to be arrogant on the road so they leave no gaps and no spaces and rarely let you out.
As a result you are forced to push your way out in an agressive manner or youd be sitting at a junction for all eternity.
Maybe this is just a UK thing im not sure...
Even one of the companies clients has a poster on his wall at work with a mockup of the DVLA private registrations with an X5 and 'W4NKR' written on the plate and the slogan 'let people know more about you' or somesuch. However hes a Merc man and has an E55 and an AMG spec C class so what does he know ?
On the road its rare ill get let out at junctions with a polite wave. Its rarer still that anyone will thank me for waiting if the road is blocked and only one car can get through at a time.
The junction thing has struck me as somewhat odd. People seem to assume that because you drive a BMW you are going to push your way out in an agressive manner. As such they dont flash you out because they expect you to go anyway.
However because you dont get flashed out and theres no gap being left you end up having to push your way out in true BMW style... Hence the problem.
Its a self fulffilling prophecy.
Everyone expect BM drivers to be arrogant on the road so they leave no gaps and no spaces and rarely let you out.
As a result you are forced to push your way out in an agressive manner or youd be sitting at a junction for all eternity.
Maybe this is just a UK thing im not sure...
and push a bit I also try to be patient but when some sits in the car and morning rush to the office mode is on, nobody is moving just dreaming or I do not know what they do in the car, there comes BMW's (truck HORN) it is so powerful sometimes I use it, last time my window was down and I was shocked how reall strong sound it has 
but even in jams I have active seat, L7 pumping and extended AC on= no problems, just the 'sheer driveing pleasure!'
02-17-2006, 12:37 AM
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� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
� Authentic HAMANN EXCLUSIVE FLOORMAT SET In black with HAMANN logo in silver For left-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060 120 For right-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060
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� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
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BMW drivers:
and dedicated to Iceman specially:' Who is the BMW driver here?" here we go:
stressed many time what is Audi???
ps. of course we are NOT like that
and dedicated to Iceman specially:' Who is the BMW driver here?" here we go:
stressed many time what is Audi???
ps. of course we are NOT like that
02-17-2006, 02:12 AM
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I've noticed exactly the same behaviour in the UK. I used to drive a Merc and would be let out at junctions most of the time. Since switching to the BM - not a hope.
In addition to the E60, I also drive a Mini. The exact opposite is true with the Mini - people are very willing to let you out at junctions and leave you space when you join motorways. I guess because it is a more fun car, without the blue and white badge on the front, people are more curtious.
In addition to the E60, I also drive a Mini. The exact opposite is true with the Mini - people are very willing to let you out at junctions and leave you space when you join motorways. I guess because it is a more fun car, without the blue and white badge on the front, people are more curtious.
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According to some not so scientific studies (car talk and some insurance company studies) the VW Jetta driver is supposed to be the most arrogant and offending driver in the US. I tried watching for this phenomena and thought I saw a hint of it, but was not that obvious to me. However, it did appear that several lower cost ?sporty? versions of Hondas, VW, Mitsubishi, Lexus, etc., kinda fell in that same aggressive pattern. At least in my normal driving locations I sure did not see any real aggressiveness on the part of BMWs, MB, Lexus Luxo types, - not counting myself of course
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Originally Posted by JayJay' post='241688' date='Feb 17 2006, 09:17 AM
Its a self fulffilling prophecy.
However, I always give way, indicate and let people in appropriately. I normally react to those who are deliberately trying to queue-jump etc... (Bizarrely rarely BMW drivers in my experience...)
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I don't think BMW has quite the wanker reputation in the US. Maybe only the ones who actually drive dangerously.
But now that you mention it, sometimes I wonder whether I try to drive more courteously, like flashing to let people cut in, as a kind of PR to make sure people don't think I'm a jerk just because I'm in a sporty, expensive car.
I still find pickup truck and SUV drivers to be the most aggressive and annoying.
I find that while an expensive sports car driver might make an aggressive, fast move here and there, they are careful and respectful. They have more to lose if they get in an accident, for one thing.
But now that you mention it, sometimes I wonder whether I try to drive more courteously, like flashing to let people cut in, as a kind of PR to make sure people don't think I'm a jerk just because I'm in a sporty, expensive car.
I still find pickup truck and SUV drivers to be the most aggressive and annoying.
I find that while an expensive sports car driver might make an aggressive, fast move here and there, they are careful and respectful. They have more to lose if they get in an accident, for one thing.
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Your point and observation are interesting. I have heard that a BMW bias exists in the US, but I have never encountered one. It all seems the same to me no matter what car I am driving--although there may be a small positive camaraderie bias depending on the car I am driving.
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My Ride: MY RIDE is DA real .-) HAMANN 5 aka BLACK MAMBA born on 16/06/2005/delivered on 05/08/2005 as following:
530dA (steptronic), Black II (JET), leather Dakota auburn black, mapple trim, head-up display, dynamic drive, active steering, adaptive xenon headlights (auto levelling) with headlight washers, alarm, comfort seats with massage function, advanced A/C, big compartment armrest, aux-in, MP3, Logic 7, Radio PRO, CD in-dash+cd changer, power rear sunshades, rear airbags, park distance control, auto dimming folding mirrors, smoking package, shiny shadow line (individual), fold down rear seats, ski bag, sport suspension, run flats on �116-style� rims (Good Year NCT5+), cup holders, debadged, fire extinguishers, additional permanent power outlet, BMW coat hanger, trunk release button (installed by Hobi), GPS tracking device and a big thx 2 Iceman.
Mods done:
� Authentic HAMANN FRONT APRON Including ellipsoid fog lights Item-No.: 10 060 110
� Authentic HAMANN REAR SPOILER Item-No.: 10 060 130,
� Authentic HAMANN HAMANN ALUMINIUM PEDALS For cars with manual gearbox Item-No.: 80 099 100 81,00 For cars with automatic transmission Item-No.: 80 099 120
� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
� Authentic HAMANN EXCLUSIVE FLOORMAT SET In black with HAMANN logo in silver For left-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060 120 For right-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060
� Authentic HAMANN COVER FOR OIL FILLER CAP In aluminium Item-No.: 80 099 117
� Authentic HAMANN SPORT REAR MUFFLER 4 TAILPIPES Sport rear muffler with four round stainless-steel tailpipes ( � 76mm ) Item-No.: 50 060 111
� Authentic HAMANN new add-on for M pack rear with diffusor for quad pipes -AVAILABLE NOW (http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=30630&st=0#entry332409)
� ///M steering wheel w Pegasus logo (this will be also changed to three spoke sports)
� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
most improtant:
�real and working like a charm forumsbuy real LED tails and PIAA 4700k fogs!!! for HAMANN full front apron you need H3
� CustomAngels, Angel Eyes Brighter than stocks 10X, WHITE & (REd for shows).
� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
� Authentic HAMANN REAL CF ROOF SPOLIER Item-No.: 10 060 235
� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
� Authentic HAMANN sports mirrors (all functions)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and of course !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E60.net Clings
Still to do list;-):
� Our Hobi's camera system from : ww.switchchange.com).
� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
Originally Posted by tab545' post='241745' date='Feb 17 2006, 03:05 PM
I don't think BMW has quite the wanker reputation in the US. Maybe only the ones who actually drive dangerously.
But now that you mention it, sometimes I wonder whether I try to drive more courteously, like flashing to let people cut in, as a kind of PR to make sure people don't think I'm a jerk just because I'm in a sporty, expensive car.
I still find pickup truck and SUV drivers to be the most aggressive and annoying.
I find that while an expensive sports car driver might make an aggressive, fast move here and there, they are careful and respectful. They have more to lose if they get in an accident, for one thing.
But now that you mention it, sometimes I wonder whether I try to drive more courteously, like flashing to let people cut in, as a kind of PR to make sure people don't think I'm a jerk just because I'm in a sporty, expensive car.
I still find pickup truck and SUV drivers to be the most aggressive and annoying.
I find that while an expensive sports car driver might make an aggressive, fast move here and there, they are careful and respectful. They have more to lose if they get in an accident, for one thing.
totally agree with you my friend same situation here in Europe. SUVs are too much self-confident like a tank