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Those cam are great..but too big to carry around.
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Wow, neat I was btw D80 and 30D, but now will wait when this or another will come back,

as D80 might make better pix w more noise than 30D and the 30D is better w ISO settings...

this wud be nice I wud prefer the Canon.

PS. but posting here in the Forums both are too much
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Originally Posted by ats77' post='326186' date='Aug 24 2006, 07:52 AM
Yikes!

And I thought the audio recording feature of my D100 was useless.


I haven't followed Canon that close but have they always used CMOS? I would think there would be more noise using a CMOS vs. CCD or hybrid sensor.
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Originally Posted by ImolaRedM' post='326218' date='Aug 24 2006, 04:10 PM
Yikes!

And I thought the audio recording feature of my D100 was useless.
I haven't followed Canon that close but have they always used CMOS? I would think there would be more noise using a CMOS vs. CCD or hybrid sensor.
nope, mate CMOS is more in the D80 and in some very top notch and expenisve cams, also in Canon.

But in this range it will be the first, btw the cellphone I guess is a joke
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Originally Posted by ats77' post='326231' date='Aug 24 2006, 10:31 AM
nope, mate CMOS is more in the D80 and in some very top notch and expenisve cams, also in Canon.

But in this range it will be the first, btw the cellphone I guess is a joke
I don't understand. The D80 uses CCD. Many other Nikons use a Hybrid LBCAST sensor. I know CMOS has greater promise but I thought it was used more to save the battery at a slight expense to image quality. Sony has started using CMOS in place of CCD for consumer video cameras but I don't think they've moved to CMOS in the pro-line. But I could be wrong. I'm sure CMOS will one day over take CCD in image quality.
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Originally Posted by ImolaRedM' post='326241' date='Aug 24 2006, 04:45 PM
I don't understand. The D80 uses CCD. Many other Nikons use a Hybrid LBCAST sensor. I know CMOS has greater promise but I thought it was used more to save the battery at a slight expense to image quality. Sony has started using CMOS in place of CCD for consumer video cameras but I don't think they've moved to CMOS in the pro-line. But I could be wrong. I'm sure CMOS will one day over take CCD in image quality.
exactly but D80 also uses CMOS, so does (will 400D) I also more care for Canon, so next Spring the promised more to come modells very to see what they come up. thx
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Originally Posted by ImolaRedM' post='326241' date='Aug 24 2006, 10:45 AM
I don't understand. The D80 uses CCD. Many other Nikons use a Hybrid LBCAST sensor. I know CMOS has greater promise but I thought it was used more to save the battery at a slight expense to image quality. Sony has started using CMOS in place of CCD for consumer video cameras but I don't think they've moved to CMOS in the pro-line. But I could be wrong. I'm sure CMOS will one day over take CCD in image quality.

Initially, it was thought that CMOS was going to be noisier, and I think it was initially. Canon started CMOS production 03? Maybe earlier - and even at that time they had less noise than Nikon's offerings. By a wide margin. The entire Canon line has been CMOS for quite some time now.

I'm a Nikon DSLR shooter myself, but the tests don't lie. LBCAST is a CMOS variant - only the D2H and D2Hs have it. The D2X is a Sony-sourced CMOS sensor. All the other Nikon DSLRs are CCDs sourced from Sony. D100 = CCD. D50/70(s)/80/200 = CCD.

Canon has done a lot to make this technology really work. They have done a ton to maximize the fill rate of their photosites, which helps the noise issue - that and the Digic II processing is pretty stellar. Phil Askey of Dpreview.com does pretty detailed tests these days on all the cameras he reviews... there is a pretty appreciable drop in dynamic range with the Nikons at high ISO due to noise. The same does not occur with the Canons.


Sample images are already up...

http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eosdigital3...3_sample-e.html
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Originally Posted by UUronL' post='326427' date='Aug 24 2006, 11:14 PM
Initially, it was thought that CMOS was going to be noisier, and I think it was initially. Canon started CMOS production 03? Maybe earlier - and even at that time they had less noise than Nikon's offerings. By a wide margin. The entire Canon line has been CMOS for quite some time now.

I'm a Nikon DSLR shooter myself, but the tests don't lie. LBCAST is a CMOS variant - only the D2H and D2Hs have it. The D2X is a Sony-sourced CMOS sensor. All the other Nikon DSLRs are CCDs sourced from Sony. D100 = CCD. D50/70(s)/80/200 = CCD.

Canon has done a lot to make this technology really work. They have done a ton to maximize the fill rate of their photosites, which helps the noise issue - that and the Digic II processing is pretty stellar. Phil Askey of Dpreview.com does pretty detailed tests these days on all the cameras he reviews... there is a pretty appreciable drop in dynamic range with the Nikons at high ISO due to noise. The same does not occur with the Canons.
Sample images are already up...

http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eosdigital3...3_sample-e.html
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp...essage=19589870

click on all the links down in the subjects there will be some reviews comparo and sample pics of both D80 and 30D.

for me at the moment big wait in EU for 400D


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