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Old 02-19-2011, 01:25 AM
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fuck it file it now, hes going to be withdrawing the money and playing some shell games so paypal cant get your money back

this is wayyyy too sketchy for a thousand bucks

you need an enforcer, its time for you to hire me
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Best case scenario, the guy's an unreliable jackass. Worst case scenario, we've got a Quad_M wannabe on our hands.
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You're doing no-one any favors by protecting the identity of the seller. Based on your PMs, you've been more than reasonable.

If this member has other items for sale, members ought to be wary. You should name the seller so other members can choose whether or not to do business with him.

For what it's worth, based on the correspondence to date I suspect you're about to get screwed so there's nothing for you to gain by keeping the identity under wraps. There's also much for other members to lose if we have an unreliable and/or untrustworthy member on our hands.

You should name and shame.
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I agree with James.
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Originally Posted by swajames
You're doing no-one any favors by protecting the identity of the seller. Based on your PMs, you've been more than reasonable.

If this member has other items for sale, members ought to be wary. You should name the seller so other members can choose whether or not to do business with him.

For what it's worth, based on the correspondence to date I suspect you're about to get screwed so there's nothing for you to gain by keeping the identity under wraps. There's also much for other members to lose if we have an unreliable and/or untrustworthy member on our hands.

You should name and shame.
i agree with naming and shaming but like west said, hes hoping its simply a misunderstanding. it would suck for that member if this really was a complete misunderstanding.
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Originally Posted by PraiseTheLowered
fuck it file it now, hes going to be withdrawing the money and playing some shell games so paypal cant get your money back

this is wayyyy too sketchy for a thousand bucks
Is a shell game something they will to do keep the PayPal (and me) people believing that there is no issue- at least until the 45 day dispute time window has expired? If so, would you still follow through with filing a dispute even though you received the following PM? I think I might..

"i already refunded your money with note that they were damaged and they are handled by different dept thats is why they could not locate it.sorry"

The funds are not available and are in some sort of Pending/Wait state. I know this can happen during a legit transaction, so I won't worry much until a day or two passes and it's still in this wait state. If the pending/wait state is controllable by the refunder, this would be a great tool for a less than honest individual.



Originally Posted by swajames
You're doing no-one any favors by protecting the identity of the seller. Based on your PMs, you've been more than reasonable.

If this member has other items for sale, members ought to be wary. You should name the seller so other members can choose whether or not to do business with him.

For what it's worth, based on the correspondence to date I suspect you're about to get screwed so there's nothing for you to gain by keeping the identity under wraps. There's also much for other members to lose if we have an unreliable and/or untrustworthy member on our hands.

You should name and shame.
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I agree with James.
Makes sense. At the least other forum members and moderators should be aware of a potential unreliable and/or untrustworthy member. The member name is nonm5e60. My opinion is that you should be careful if you plan to do business with this guy.

I purchased some rather big ticket car parts from non-commercial members on this forum alone the past two months and have dealt with some honest, kind, and straightforward individuals. I would put my money out up front after seeing photos, and would wait for the items and the items would arrive as described by the seller. We would have healthy PM and phone conversations, and we knew each others names and it was generally a fun buying experience. It has been my experience that most people selling an item are not out to screw anybody. I feel that whatever skepticism I've shared on this forum topic about my interaction with one individual should not be assumed about the buying/selling community as a whole. Lots of good people out there.
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Makes sense. At the least other forum members and moderators should be aware of a potential unreliable and/or untrustworthy member. The member name is nonm5e60. My opinion is that you should be careful if you plan to do business with this guy.
Well, nonm5e60 doesn't post here all that much but I've seen nothing in his posts that would have led me to have been too concerned about buying from him. I hope you guys work this out ASAP. If we've jumped to conclusions about this member, I am sure he will let us know what went wrong...

good luck and keep us posted.
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Originally Posted by swajames
Well, nonm5e60 doesn't post here all that much but I've seen nothing in his posts that would have led me to have been too concerned about buying from him. I hope you guys work this out ASAP. If we've jumped to conclusions about this member, I am sure he will let us know what went wrong...

good luck and keep us posted.
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Is a shell game something they will to do keep the PayPal (and me) people believing that there is no issue- at least until the 45 day dispute time window has expired?
Update: Been waiting for the refund to process (since Saturday it's been saying I have to wait until Thursday for it to process), and today I log into paypal and see that the refund has been 'Removed' after it has been in state 'Pending' for the past 6 days. Unsure if it's fair to unblock the company name and contact informaiton, so here is a PayPal screenshot of the 'Removed' refund with the company name and contact info blacked out.

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Looks like I will be filing the dispute today. Does anybody have any advice before I do so? Anything to ensure everything gets processed smoothly? Never had to do anything like this before. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by west
Update: Been waiting for the refund to process (since Saturday it's been saying I have to wait until Thursday for it to process), and today I log into paypal and see that the refund has been 'Removed' after it has been in state 'Pending' for the past 6 days. Unsure if it's fair to unblock the company name and contact informaiton, so here is a PayPal screenshot of the 'Removed' refund with the company name and contact info blacked out.

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Looks like I will be filing the dispute today. Does anybody have any advice before I do so? Anything to ensure everything gets processed smoothly? Never had to do anything like this before. Thanks.
Did the seller portray this as a private sale? It appears that the transaction was handled by an LLC. If so, in addition to filing a dispute with PayPal (which you ought to have done already) you could contact the BBB. It may even be worth talking to your attorney.

And once again, you are doing the members here no favors by protecting the identities here. If this member is selling through an LLC and not in a private capacity I think the members here ought to know who and what to avoid.


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