Mean vs nice
07-22-2009, 06:25 AM
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there is a difference between being nice and being a push over. there is also a difference in the work place. Being assertive in a calm nice manner rather than yelling and screaming at everyone is going to make for a better work environment. If you let it be known theres a time and a place to screw around and have fun but this must come AFTER the work is done. I know im young and dont have a lot of job exp but this is what ive figured out so far.
07-22-2009, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by pigapumbu' post='949994' date='Jul 22 2009, 02:32 AM
I found that when I led the team by being nice AND setting a good example, I could get my subordinates to work better, harder and more loyal. Sadly there are many who think being mean is the way forward. That only sets a bad working environment.
Thats my 2cent worth.
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Thats my 2cent worth.
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me? I've had mixed results being nice - with coworkers it pays to not be the "evil one" because then they look for any opportunity to stab you in the back. At home (lately with our Property Manager) I had been nice for months (asking them to check the water pressure in the bathroom) and nothing was getting done, so I got fed up and went off - shower works perfectly now
In a leadership role though nice gets you walked all over, when I was a team leader in the military I learned you can't always be friends with those you command. What they really want is you to have their back, if you do they will have yours. I have done this ever since, always viewed it as part of my job description - keep your boss from getting yelled at and you will never get yelled at.
07-22-2009, 06:44 AM
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Sometimes the myrmidons refer to dedicated, focused, firm, determined, objective and/or loyal as ?mean?.
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07-22-2009, 07:53 AM
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On a superficial level, +1 for nice. However, I think that you would have to quantify "nice" vs "mean", and the situation that it would apply to...
That being said, whatever your beliefs are, bottom line is to remember the Golden Rule: "Treat others as you would want them to treat you"....to get respect, give respect...as the Hindus say regarding Karma: "whatever you do, it'll all eventually come back on you..."
That being said, whatever your beliefs are, bottom line is to remember the Golden Rule: "Treat others as you would want them to treat you"....to get respect, give respect...as the Hindus say regarding Karma: "whatever you do, it'll all eventually come back on you..."
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Originally Posted by theonlychoman' post='950233' date='Jul 22 2009, 11:53 AM
as the Hindus say regarding Karma: "whatever you do, it'll all eventually come back on you..."
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07-22-2009, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by v_therussian' post='950017' date='Jul 22 2009, 03:37 AM
BTW I'd love to hear more of what you have to say on my original question: do nice guys really finish last?
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The other, perhaps overlooked effect, is being able to look at yourself in the mirror everyday and KNOW you are a good person, that is also an important aspect to being nice, (though NOT a pushover)! 
07-22-2009, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by pjinca' post='950271' date='Jul 22 2009, 12:37 PM
no, Vlad, I don't think so. Everything needs equilibrium - you can't be nice all the time and you can't be a prick all the time either. Nice guys get their share.
07-22-2009, 03:50 PM
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i have a lot of integrity, and i have a coworker who has been cutting out of work quite early. 2 hours yesterday, not coming in today (because our boss is out, even so, this is a weekly occurrence, hour here, hour there) but he will log the hours, at a rate of approximately 50 bucks an hour... thats your tax money folks. anyway, it pays off now for him because he gets free money. but he will get caught.
Originally Posted by pjinca' post='950154' date='Jul 22 2009, 10:31 AM
... What they really want is you to have their back, if you do they will have yours. I have done this ever since, always viewed it as part of my job description - keep your boss from getting yelled at and you will never get yelled at.