M3 beats CTS-V, M5 in 5th place.
10-31-2009, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard in NC' post='1044174' date='Oct 31 2009, 08:35 AM
Is that a really true comparison? The CTS-V's best was a professional driver in a car with some mods. Safety related (brakes, 5 pt harness, etc) but also allowing more "balls to the walls". The M5 time is still shown as the Sport Auto time with an early production bone stock car. One disadvantage of the stock M5 is the 155mph limiter. I bet it was hit repeatedly around the 'Ring. Who knows how the track conditions between the runs match up as well. I'd really like to see Hans Stuck or Sabine pilot the M5 CSL prototype around the ring. If its not faster, then I'd bow to the CTS-V.
Re this CTS-V demonstration, who knows how hard the M5 driver pushed his car? They claim the M3 driver had the advantage of track experience. What if the M5 driver had never driven anywhere other than the NJ Turnpike, or LA bumper to bumper traffic?
Track experience, ability, and the willingness to push a car is the key. I personally know a newbie E92 M3 driver who matched the times of a $190k Porsche GT2 at VIR. As did my 550i. Therefore I conclude my 550i is as fast as the Porsche!!!!
Re this CTS-V demonstration, who knows how hard the M5 driver pushed his car? They claim the M3 driver had the advantage of track experience. What if the M5 driver had never driven anywhere other than the NJ Turnpike, or LA bumper to bumper traffic?
Track experience, ability, and the willingness to push a car is the key. I personally know a newbie E92 M3 driver who matched the times of a $190k Porsche GT2 at VIR. As did my 550i. Therefore I conclude my 550i is as fast as the Porsche!!!!
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='1044181' date='Oct 31 2009, 11:53 AM
It's absolutely a true comparison. The M5 time was from the editor of Sport Auto, Horst von Saurma, who holds the fastest time records for a number of different cars including many BMW records. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that no-one, Sabine or otherwise, has ever gone round the Ring in an M5 with a timed lap faster than Horst Von Saurma. Stock for stock, the simple fact is that the CTS-V has a much faster Ring time than the M5.
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Originally Posted by Richard in NC' post='1044190' date='Oct 31 2009, 09:16 AM
No one has an "advertised" time faster than the Sport Auto time. With the E39 M5, Sabine claimed a time 12 seconds faster than the Sport Auto time. Knock 12 seconds off the E60 M5 time and it would be close. And as mentioned, it wasn't stock for stock. If Horst von Saurma is so good, let him drive a STOCK CTS-V and match THAT time to the M5. Also have him keep it to 155mph max, to be truely fair. But I'd give him that since I could buy and drive a CTS-V faster than that. Thrown in jail, yes, but I could.
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='1044162' date='Oct 31 2009, 11:08 AM
I can think of a fair few cars well under 250K that have a much better exhaust note than the M5 - Maserati QP/Gran Turismo etc, Aston Vantage/DB9 etc. There are plenty of others if you set the bar that high!
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Originally Posted by mikeg3tsguap' post='1044245' date='Oct 31 2009, 02:26 PM
The 4dr maserati has the best exhaust note followed by the aston martin then the m5 but its an opinion
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Originally Posted by sdg1871' post='1044254' date='Oct 31 2009, 11:33 AM
If the M5 was rolling with a RPI full race exhaust, would that change your conclusion?
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Originally Posted by olskooldj' post='1044276' date='Oct 31 2009, 03:57 PM
M5 is going to be my next ride for sure - but the exhaust on the Maserati is second to none, a coworker of mine has one and he has opened it up a bit with me and it's really tough to beat the sound...
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Most races are only determined by fractions of a second.
However, the only place I've seen the CTS-V only beat the M-5 by "fractions" of a second, is 0 - 60 (3.9 -vs- 4.5), and that's 3-4 car lengths at speed.
Everywhere else, track, figure 8, Nurburring (sp) the CTS-V has got it's butt kicked over it's shoulders by the CTS-V.
Give credit where its due (I'm still surprised an M3 could hang with a CTS-v. I' have to take your word for it because I can't get the link to play.)
That said, I'd take my M5 in burgundy, with the automatic- just because of what it is...
Then again, I LOVE a "sleeper". I bet that CTS (even the base CTS with 304 HP V6) will give some 5-series owners who think they're hot s**t, some nightmares- not to mention a severe dose of embarrassment having to tell their girlfriend- something was wrong with their car, as to why they just got schooled by a lady in a CTS.
However, the only place I've seen the CTS-V only beat the M-5 by "fractions" of a second, is 0 - 60 (3.9 -vs- 4.5), and that's 3-4 car lengths at speed.
Everywhere else, track, figure 8, Nurburring (sp) the CTS-V has got it's butt kicked over it's shoulders by the CTS-V.
Give credit where its due (I'm still surprised an M3 could hang with a CTS-v. I' have to take your word for it because I can't get the link to play.)
That said, I'd take my M5 in burgundy, with the automatic- just because of what it is...
Then again, I LOVE a "sleeper". I bet that CTS (even the base CTS with 304 HP V6) will give some 5-series owners who think they're hot s**t, some nightmares- not to mention a severe dose of embarrassment having to tell their girlfriend- something was wrong with their car, as to why they just got schooled by a lady in a CTS.