Its all about RESPECT
09-16-2009, 06:55 AM
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Tony, 
This generation is going to turn into a bunch of disrespectful, unloyal, inconsiderate idiots with no morals who smoke weed with their kids.
This generation is going to turn into a bunch of disrespectful, unloyal, inconsiderate idiots with no morals who smoke weed with their kids.
09-16-2009, 06:58 AM
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Tony, I posted my response same time as yours and so I didn't have a chance to address you, so here it goes:
1. I'm glad you share my point of view, but its hardly a surprise to me.
2. Too many moral standards are being dismissed today in the name of "you only live once", "live each day like it's your last", "there's no past or future - only present" philosophy. This is the current eroding the good in human nature. It hinges on deep disrespect for the fact that a human life is worthless without a timescale and provides a convenient excuse to convert youth in order to sell them more iPhones and PSP's. Not that there's Anthony wrong with selling a good product, but an entire global culture hinged on death of the human spirit in the long run is still detrimental for any business.
3. Very good point on lessons taught by our parents. Except I grew up without a father since 13 and without a mother since 16 (though she is alive and well). Point being, you learn about these values as a kid, but you learn to practice them as a young adult, largely by making mistakes and getting hurt.
4. I would love you to post that whole book in here. This issue is much too neglected for it to become futile. At least at any point in foreseeable future.
Thanks bro
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1. I'm glad you share my point of view, but its hardly a surprise to me.
2. Too many moral standards are being dismissed today in the name of "you only live once", "live each day like it's your last", "there's no past or future - only present" philosophy. This is the current eroding the good in human nature. It hinges on deep disrespect for the fact that a human life is worthless without a timescale and provides a convenient excuse to convert youth in order to sell them more iPhones and PSP's. Not that there's Anthony wrong with selling a good product, but an entire global culture hinged on death of the human spirit in the long run is still detrimental for any business.
3. Very good point on lessons taught by our parents. Except I grew up without a father since 13 and without a mother since 16 (though she is alive and well). Point being, you learn about these values as a kid, but you learn to practice them as a young adult, largely by making mistakes and getting hurt.
4. I would love you to post that whole book in here. This issue is much too neglected for it to become futile. At least at any point in foreseeable future.
Thanks bro
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09-16-2009, 07:10 AM
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1. I'm glad you share my point of view, but its hardly a surprise to me.
Vlad, I too agree with you for the most part. In being raised by a women (mom, sister, aunts) they taught me that REGARDLESS or gender you give respect when earned - and these were fervent feminists. Respect your elders as they have lived long enough to provide the insight experience brings.
2. Too many moral standards are being dismissed today in the name of "you only live once", "live each day like it's your last", "there's no past or future - only present" philosophy. This is the current eroding the good in human nature. It hinges on deep disrespect for the fact that a human life is worthless without a timescale and provides a convenient excuse to convert youth in order to sell them more iPhones and PSP's. Not that there's Anthony wrong with selling a good product, but an entire global culture hinged on death of the human spirit in the long run is still detrimental for any business.
This is not exactly true because it boils down to the parents of today, who are basically lazy SOB's, the park their kids in front of the TV and expect the TV and the teachers to raise their kids for them. Which is why you hear such an outcry when the slightest perceived obscenity is on TV - how about YOU pay attention to what your kids are watching by watching TV WITH them instead of expecting TV to do your parenting.
3. Very good point on lessons taught by our parents. Except I grew up without a father since 13 and without a mother since 16 (though she is alive and well). Point being, you learn about these values as a kid, but you learn to practice them as a young adult, largely by making mistakes and getting hurt.
You learn values the same way you learn manners. Perfect example: My Brother-in-law owns a business, he does a lot of business in Europe. He was saddened to learn that he had to send all of his American sales staff to etiquette training to learn how to eat properly since a lot of business in Europe is completed over lunch or dinner. He was pleasantly surprised when he met my sister that we were taught how to eat like a human being not like other animal he's met.
4. I would love you to post that whole book in here. This issue is much too neglected for it to become futile. At least at any point in foreseeable future.
Agreed
Vlad, I too agree with you for the most part. In being raised by a women (mom, sister, aunts) they taught me that REGARDLESS or gender you give respect when earned - and these were fervent feminists. Respect your elders as they have lived long enough to provide the insight experience brings.
2. Too many moral standards are being dismissed today in the name of "you only live once", "live each day like it's your last", "there's no past or future - only present" philosophy. This is the current eroding the good in human nature. It hinges on deep disrespect for the fact that a human life is worthless without a timescale and provides a convenient excuse to convert youth in order to sell them more iPhones and PSP's. Not that there's Anthony wrong with selling a good product, but an entire global culture hinged on death of the human spirit in the long run is still detrimental for any business.
This is not exactly true because it boils down to the parents of today, who are basically lazy SOB's, the park their kids in front of the TV and expect the TV and the teachers to raise their kids for them. Which is why you hear such an outcry when the slightest perceived obscenity is on TV - how about YOU pay attention to what your kids are watching by watching TV WITH them instead of expecting TV to do your parenting.
3. Very good point on lessons taught by our parents. Except I grew up without a father since 13 and without a mother since 16 (though she is alive and well). Point being, you learn about these values as a kid, but you learn to practice them as a young adult, largely by making mistakes and getting hurt.
You learn values the same way you learn manners. Perfect example: My Brother-in-law owns a business, he does a lot of business in Europe. He was saddened to learn that he had to send all of his American sales staff to etiquette training to learn how to eat properly since a lot of business in Europe is completed over lunch or dinner. He was pleasantly surprised when he met my sister that we were taught how to eat like a human being not like other animal he's met.
4. I would love you to post that whole book in here. This issue is much too neglected for it to become futile. At least at any point in foreseeable future.
Agreed
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Originally Posted by pjinca' post='1009136' date='Sep 16 2009, 10:10 AM
1. I'm glad you share my point of view, but its hardly a surprise to me.
Vlad, I too agree with you for the most part. In being raised by a women (mom, sister, aunts) they taught me that REGARDLESS or gender you give respect when earned - and these were fervent feminists. Respect your elders as they have lived long enough to provide the insight experience brings.
2. Too many moral standards are being dismissed today in the name of "you only live once", "live each day like it's your last", "there's no past or future - only present" philosophy. This is the current eroding the good in human nature. It hinges on deep disrespect for the fact that a human life is worthless without a timescale and provides a convenient excuse to convert youth in order to sell them more iPhones and PSP's. Not that there's Anthony wrong with selling a good product, but an entire global culture hinged on death of the human spirit in the long run is still detrimental for any business.
This is not exactly true because it boils down to the parents of today, who are basically lazy SOB's, the park their kids in front of the TV and expect the TV and the teachers to raise their kids for them. Which is why you hear such an outcry when the slightest perceived obscenity is on TV - how about YOU pay attention to what your kids are watching by watching TV WITH them instead of expecting TV to do your parenting.
3. Very good point on lessons taught by our parents. Except I grew up without a father since 13 and without a mother since 16 (though she is alive and well). Point being, you learn about these values as a kid, but you learn to practice them as a young adult, largely by making mistakes and getting hurt.
You learn values the same way you learn manners. Perfect example: My Brother-in-law owns a business, he does a lot of business in Europe. He was saddened to learn that he had to send all of his American sales staff to etiquette training to learn how to eat properly since a lot of business in Europe is completed over lunch or dinner. He was pleasantly surprised when he met my sister that we were taught how to eat like a human being not like other animal he's met.
4. I would love you to post that whole book in here. This issue is much too neglected for it to become futile. At least at any point in foreseeable future.
Agreed
Vlad, I too agree with you for the most part. In being raised by a women (mom, sister, aunts) they taught me that REGARDLESS or gender you give respect when earned - and these were fervent feminists. Respect your elders as they have lived long enough to provide the insight experience brings.
2. Too many moral standards are being dismissed today in the name of "you only live once", "live each day like it's your last", "there's no past or future - only present" philosophy. This is the current eroding the good in human nature. It hinges on deep disrespect for the fact that a human life is worthless without a timescale and provides a convenient excuse to convert youth in order to sell them more iPhones and PSP's. Not that there's Anthony wrong with selling a good product, but an entire global culture hinged on death of the human spirit in the long run is still detrimental for any business.
This is not exactly true because it boils down to the parents of today, who are basically lazy SOB's, the park their kids in front of the TV and expect the TV and the teachers to raise their kids for them. Which is why you hear such an outcry when the slightest perceived obscenity is on TV - how about YOU pay attention to what your kids are watching by watching TV WITH them instead of expecting TV to do your parenting.
3. Very good point on lessons taught by our parents. Except I grew up without a father since 13 and without a mother since 16 (though she is alive and well). Point being, you learn about these values as a kid, but you learn to practice them as a young adult, largely by making mistakes and getting hurt.
You learn values the same way you learn manners. Perfect example: My Brother-in-law owns a business, he does a lot of business in Europe. He was saddened to learn that he had to send all of his American sales staff to etiquette training to learn how to eat properly since a lot of business in Europe is completed over lunch or dinner. He was pleasantly surprised when he met my sister that we were taught how to eat like a human being not like other animal he's met.
4. I would love you to post that whole book in here. This issue is much too neglected for it to become futile. At least at any point in foreseeable future.
Agreed
09-16-2009, 08:05 AM
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Did you talk to Steve Dahl before you posted this?? !!! For those of you who don't know, Steve writes for the Chicago Tribune, and is a radio talk show host.
Check this out: from the Tribune today.. http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainmen...,5689204.column
Along the same lines, in addition to respecting others and earning respect of others, we also seem to have lost a sense of integrity and honesty as well. I look at some of my nieces, newphews, and friend's older kids, and I pray that my own kids don't turn out that way. To me being a good human being is equally important as receiving the best education.
-JS
Did you talk to Steve Dahl before you posted this?? !!! For those of you who don't know, Steve writes for the Chicago Tribune, and is a radio talk show host.
Check this out: from the Tribune today.. http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainmen...,5689204.column
Along the same lines, in addition to respecting others and earning respect of others, we also seem to have lost a sense of integrity and honesty as well. I look at some of my nieces, newphews, and friend's older kids, and I pray that my own kids don't turn out that way. To me being a good human being is equally important as receiving the best education.
-JS
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Originally Posted by Krozi' post='1009118' date='Sep 16 2009, 10:55 AM
who smoke weed with their kids.
09-16-2009, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by C's Bimmer' post='1009185' date='Sep 16 2009, 09:13 AM
I actually don't have a problem with this.
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Vlad, thank you for your response. I completely understand about not having parents around as we have similar situations. Except, both of my parents are still living (my condolences). I will respond in depth but I cannot at the moment. I will say this though, what I meant about the parents and their role to the respected gender of their children is what the structure is "supposed" to be (in my honest opinion).
I 100% unequivocally without a doubt believe that we can reach an understanding and completely live a life of honesty, decency and respect without our "Maternal Parents". Though, that is where they saying "it takes a village to raise a child" comes to play.
I go on mission in about 5 hours so I am going to get some rest. I will start writing though and will post what I write as soon as I get back (possibly a day or two).
I am hoping the all of the beautiful minds of this forum of friends would chime in with their respective positions and or convictions.
I would ask that if you have any opposing views, that they be posted tactfully and without negative intent. But rather as a proclamation of your position.
Vlad, I like the way you think
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I 100% unequivocally without a doubt believe that we can reach an understanding and completely live a life of honesty, decency and respect without our "Maternal Parents". Though, that is where they saying "it takes a village to raise a child" comes to play.
I go on mission in about 5 hours so I am going to get some rest. I will start writing though and will post what I write as soon as I get back (possibly a day or two).
I am hoping the all of the beautiful minds of this forum of friends would chime in with their respective positions and or convictions.
I would ask that if you have any opposing views, that they be posted tactfully and without negative intent. But rather as a proclamation of your position.
Vlad, I like the way you think
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I like this thread, however I fail to see why it is aimed at the respectful treatment of women only! 
I think we all would be much better served by treating EVERYBODY, male or female with respect! 
Too many people make themselves the "Exception" to all the rules, and as a consequence they allow themselves the freedom to do ANYTHING that their minds can imagine! 
Immanuel Kant stated it best in his "Categorical Imperative"
A categorical imperative denotes an absolute, unconditional requirement that asserts its authority in all circumstances, both required and justified as an end in itself. It is best known in its first formulation:
"Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law."
In simpler terms, only do something if you are comfortable with it becoming the law that ALL people will adhere to. If you think it's okay to shoot somebody, then shooting people would be the Categorical Imperative, and therefore EVERYONE can do it....would this make you more or less comfortable with your own behavior then??
If it makes you less comfortable with your actions, then perhaps you need to reconsider your actions appropriately! So to all those who think it's okay if I do this, think again BEFORE you actually make the mistake of being the exception to societal and legal laws! We live in an amazing time, and it can be made even better with a little judicious use of our brains, and just a small nod toward being a "Better" person for the betterment of ALL! This is exactly how I live my life and how I am teaching my children to look at this world of ours! 
Just my 2 cents, spend them as you see fit!
I think we all would be much better served by treating EVERYBODY, male or female with respect! Too many people make themselves the "Exception" to all the rules, and as a consequence they allow themselves the freedom to do ANYTHING that their minds can imagine! Immanuel Kant stated it best in his "Categorical Imperative"
A categorical imperative denotes an absolute, unconditional requirement that asserts its authority in all circumstances, both required and justified as an end in itself. It is best known in its first formulation:
"Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law."
In simpler terms, only do something if you are comfortable with it becoming the law that ALL people will adhere to. If you think it's okay to shoot somebody, then shooting people would be the Categorical Imperative, and therefore EVERYONE can do it....would this make you more or less comfortable with your own behavior then??
If it makes you less comfortable with your actions, then perhaps you need to reconsider your actions appropriately! So to all those who think it's okay if I do this, think again BEFORE you actually make the mistake of being the exception to societal and legal laws! We live in an amazing time, and it can be made even better with a little judicious use of our brains, and just a small nod toward being a "Better" person for the betterment of ALL! This is exactly how I live my life and how I am teaching my children to look at this world of ours! Just my 2 cents, spend them as you see fit!