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01-04-2006, 01:03 AM
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My Ride: MY RIDE is DA real .-) HAMANN 5 aka BLACK MAMBA born on 16/06/2005/delivered on 05/08/2005 as following:
530dA (steptronic), Black II (JET), leather Dakota auburn black, mapple trim, head-up display, dynamic drive, active steering, adaptive xenon headlights (auto levelling) with headlight washers, alarm, comfort seats with massage function, advanced A/C, big compartment armrest, aux-in, MP3, Logic 7, Radio PRO, CD in-dash+cd changer, power rear sunshades, rear airbags, park distance control, auto dimming folding mirrors, smoking package, shiny shadow line (individual), fold down rear seats, ski bag, sport suspension, run flats on �116-style� rims (Good Year NCT5+), cup holders, debadged, fire extinguishers, additional permanent power outlet, BMW coat hanger, trunk release button (installed by Hobi), GPS tracking device and a big thx 2 Iceman.
Mods done:
� Authentic HAMANN FRONT APRON Including ellipsoid fog lights Item-No.: 10 060 110
� Authentic HAMANN REAR SPOILER Item-No.: 10 060 130,
� Authentic HAMANN HAMANN ALUMINIUM PEDALS For cars with manual gearbox Item-No.: 80 099 100 81,00 For cars with automatic transmission Item-No.: 80 099 120
� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
� Authentic HAMANN EXCLUSIVE FLOORMAT SET In black with HAMANN logo in silver For left-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060 120 For right-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060
� Authentic HAMANN COVER FOR OIL FILLER CAP In aluminium Item-No.: 80 099 117
� Authentic HAMANN SPORT REAR MUFFLER 4 TAILPIPES Sport rear muffler with four round stainless-steel tailpipes ( � 76mm ) Item-No.: 50 060 111
� Authentic HAMANN new add-on for M pack rear with diffusor for quad pipes -AVAILABLE NOW (http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=30630&st=0#entry332409)
� ///M steering wheel w Pegasus logo (this will be also changed to three spoke sports)
� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
most improtant:
�real and working like a charm forumsbuy real LED tails and PIAA 4700k fogs!!! for HAMANN full front apron you need H3
� CustomAngels, Angel Eyes Brighter than stocks 10X, WHITE & (REd for shows).
� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
� Authentic HAMANN REAL CF ROOF SPOLIER Item-No.: 10 060 235
� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
� Authentic HAMANN sports mirrors (all functions)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and of course !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E60.net Clings
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� Our Hobi's camera system from : ww.switchchange.com).
� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
Originally Posted by SG535d' post='187726' date='Oct 23 2005, 10:26 PM
Don't really have anything constructive to add to this debate, only that my helmet is open face, purely because I find it more comfortable to drive with than a full face one. 
01-04-2006, 01:35 AM
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My Ride: 2006 550i Titanium Silver, Black Dakota Leather, Aluminum Cube Trim, M Sport Pkg, Premium Pkg, Comfort Access, Head Up Display, Steptronic, Comfort Seats, Rear Heated Seats, Through Load, Park Distance Control, Navigation , HK Logic 7, etc
buy it from the store! Online only goes so far!
01-05-2006, 01:56 PM
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For the two BMW high performance driving schools I went to last year, I was able to use my closed face motorcycle helmet. The helmet just had to meet latest snell or dot specs, can't remember exactly.
Now I understand that the Porsche Club of America Events are more strict and would not take a motorcycle helmet, needs to meet a specific automobile spec, but don't know about the open versus closed.
As far as buying a helmet online, well I would only buy a specific make and model that I had previously tried on. With all the helmets I have had from my dirt bike and street bike, it seems there are great differences in the comfort from one brand to another, and even in the different models from the same brand so it is important in my opinion to try different brands and models on before purchasing. Just my 2 cents. Want it to be comfortable, don't want pressure points in the helmet. Will hurt your head, and then you won't want to wear it.
Now I understand that the Porsche Club of America Events are more strict and would not take a motorcycle helmet, needs to meet a specific automobile spec, but don't know about the open versus closed.
As far as buying a helmet online, well I would only buy a specific make and model that I had previously tried on. With all the helmets I have had from my dirt bike and street bike, it seems there are great differences in the comfort from one brand to another, and even in the different models from the same brand so it is important in my opinion to try different brands and models on before purchasing. Just my 2 cents. Want it to be comfortable, don't want pressure points in the helmet. Will hurt your head, and then you won't want to wear it.
01-05-2006, 02:12 PM
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Clipped from the PCA 2006 rules under the safety section.
3. Helmets rated SNELL SA95 or later are required. After June 1, 2006, Helmets must be rated
SNELL SA2000 or later. Helmets must have the driver?s name on the rear, the driver?s blood type
on the right side and have the approved PCA Inspection sticker displayed on the left side. It is
recommended that helmets be replaced or relined after 5 years of actual use.
4. Drivers of vehicles without full windshields are required to have a full face helmet with shield in
place at all times while on the track.
SNELL SA2000 or later. Helmets must have the driver?s name on the rear, the driver?s blood type
on the right side and have the approved PCA Inspection sticker displayed on the left side. It is
recommended that helmets be replaced or relined after 5 years of actual use.
4. Drivers of vehicles without full windshields are required to have a full face helmet with shield in
place at all times while on the track.
01-24-2006, 09:29 AM
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My Ride: MY RIDE is DA real .-) HAMANN 5 aka BLACK MAMBA born on 16/06/2005/delivered on 05/08/2005 as following:
530dA (steptronic), Black II (JET), leather Dakota auburn black, mapple trim, head-up display, dynamic drive, active steering, adaptive xenon headlights (auto levelling) with headlight washers, alarm, comfort seats with massage function, advanced A/C, big compartment armrest, aux-in, MP3, Logic 7, Radio PRO, CD in-dash+cd changer, power rear sunshades, rear airbags, park distance control, auto dimming folding mirrors, smoking package, shiny shadow line (individual), fold down rear seats, ski bag, sport suspension, run flats on �116-style� rims (Good Year NCT5+), cup holders, debadged, fire extinguishers, additional permanent power outlet, BMW coat hanger, trunk release button (installed by Hobi), GPS tracking device and a big thx 2 Iceman.
Mods done:
� Authentic HAMANN FRONT APRON Including ellipsoid fog lights Item-No.: 10 060 110
� Authentic HAMANN REAR SPOILER Item-No.: 10 060 130,
� Authentic HAMANN HAMANN ALUMINIUM PEDALS For cars with manual gearbox Item-No.: 80 099 100 81,00 For cars with automatic transmission Item-No.: 80 099 120
� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
� Authentic HAMANN EXCLUSIVE FLOORMAT SET In black with HAMANN logo in silver For left-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060 120 For right-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060
� Authentic HAMANN COVER FOR OIL FILLER CAP In aluminium Item-No.: 80 099 117
� Authentic HAMANN SPORT REAR MUFFLER 4 TAILPIPES Sport rear muffler with four round stainless-steel tailpipes ( � 76mm ) Item-No.: 50 060 111
� Authentic HAMANN new add-on for M pack rear with diffusor for quad pipes -AVAILABLE NOW (http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=30630&st=0#entry332409)
� ///M steering wheel w Pegasus logo (this will be also changed to three spoke sports)
� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
most improtant:
�real and working like a charm forumsbuy real LED tails and PIAA 4700k fogs!!! for HAMANN full front apron you need H3
� CustomAngels, Angel Eyes Brighter than stocks 10X, WHITE & (REd for shows).
� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
� Authentic HAMANN REAL CF ROOF SPOLIER Item-No.: 10 060 235
� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
� Authentic HAMANN sports mirrors (all functions)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and of course !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E60.net Clings
Still to do list;-):
� Our Hobi's camera system from : ww.switchchange.com).
� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
so here in EU I see no places to go and look around I will need one for Hockenheim...
Spring but dunno if G-Force or Bell is better
STEVE???
anyway thx guys
one other stuff; if my head is L for a baseball cap is it ok for a helmet too?
Spring but dunno if G-Force or Bell is better
STEVE???
anyway thx guys
one other stuff; if my head is L for a baseball cap is it ok for a helmet too?
01-24-2006, 10:00 AM
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My Ride: 2005 530i JETBLACK/BLACK DAKOTA, COLD WEATHER PKG, PREMIUM PKG, ADAPTIVE XENON HEADLIGHTS, AUTO TRANSMISSION WITH 6 SPEED STEPTRONIC, BLUETOOTH SETUP,SAT SETUP AND WIFE AS CO-PILOT
Originally Posted by CRRobert' post='219697' date='Jan 5 2006, 03:12 PM
Clipped from the PCA 2006 rules under the safety section.
3. Helmets rated SNELL SA95 or later are required. After June 1, 2006, Helmets must be rated
SNELL SA2000 or later. Helmets must have the driver?s name on the rear, the driver?s blood type
on the right side and have the approved PCA Inspection sticker displayed on the left side. It is
recommended that helmets be replaced or relined after 5 years of actual use.
4. Drivers of vehicles without full windshields are required to have a full face helmet with shield in
place at all times while on the track.
SNELL SA2000 or later. Helmets must have the driver?s name on the rear, the driver?s blood type
on the right side and have the approved PCA Inspection sticker displayed on the left side. It is
recommended that helmets be replaced or relined after 5 years of actual use.
4. Drivers of vehicles without full windshields are required to have a full face helmet with shield in
place at all times while on the track.
yes you would need a snell 2000 or higher.. i have a bell helmet one off color coating and recently just signed by carrol shelby... a hans device would also be good.. depends also the type of racing. but considering you will be using it with an airbag equipped car.. i would go with a closed.... eric d
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Originally Posted by ats77' post='228861' date='Jan 24 2006, 11:29 AM
one other stuff; if my head is L for a baseball cap is it ok for a helmet too?
I have tried a XL from one manfuacturer, and an XXL from another that felt the same. Sometimes the they will change the Shell size from one size to another, and other times they keep the same shell size with different size material inside.
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My Ride: 2005 530i JETBLACK/BLACK DAKOTA, COLD WEATHER PKG, PREMIUM PKG, ADAPTIVE XENON HEADLIGHTS, AUTO TRANSMISSION WITH 6 SPEED STEPTRONIC, BLUETOOTH SETUP,SAT SETUP AND WIFE AS CO-PILOT
I have tried a XL from one manfuacturer, and an XXL from another that felt the same. Sometimes the they will change the Shell size from one size to another, and other times they keep the same shell size with different size material inside.
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yp your right... i know for bell helmets... my brothers and i would trade out the inside foam and material to fit the person
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Hi there, I follow this forum regularly, but rarely post. I think that I can make a contribution to this topic however. I am active in motorsports since a number of years and compete in motorraces in Europe.
If you buy a helmet, go for the best fit, not the cheapest out there. If you are on track, you are hot and have to wear a helmet for extended periods. If a helmet does not fit, you cannot concentrate. Therefore, you don't enjoy driving as you should, are not as fast and ultimately lose concentration and become a danger.
Full face or open face is partly personal. However, if I have a really bad crash I would prefer full face anytime. You get used to the 'locked' in feeling very quickly. I have seen what happens to a face when you hit the steering wheel (driver was in a 6-point harness!) and I can tell you it doesn't look nice! Don't think that airbags and belts will always save you.
HANS is nice, but only works with a special 5 or 6 point safety harness and suitable and certified full race seat. For in a street car just forget it. Unless you go for a Formula 1/Indycar look, have excess cash and want to look like fool, don't use HANS without the rest of the equipment which makes it such a great system.
Buy a helmet with a safety certificate. SNELL 2000 or newer is fine, some local norms like British Standards Institute will also do. For a list of manufacturers certified for motorsport use look on www.fia.com.
To those of you who want to buy online, think again. As I said above, helmets have to fit perfectly for you to enjoy wearing them. I go to a shop, try the helmet and buy the one I tried. Each helmet is a little different, some have a seam here or there, something I don't notice when buying online. Finally a responsible seller will never accept a returned helmet from a customer, how sincere the buyer may seem. If a helmet suffers a single hard impact (e.g. on a stone floor) it is in principle unsafe to use. Therefore helmets should never be returned to a store.
As far as brands are concerned, this is a personal thing. Some brands will fit you but will be uncomfortable for me. I have used Arai, Bell and Sparco. All different brands, all fit me perfectly. Don't just go for a 'cool' design, buy what fits and look for the least weight!!!
If you buy a helmet, go for the best fit, not the cheapest out there. If you are on track, you are hot and have to wear a helmet for extended periods. If a helmet does not fit, you cannot concentrate. Therefore, you don't enjoy driving as you should, are not as fast and ultimately lose concentration and become a danger.
Full face or open face is partly personal. However, if I have a really bad crash I would prefer full face anytime. You get used to the 'locked' in feeling very quickly. I have seen what happens to a face when you hit the steering wheel (driver was in a 6-point harness!) and I can tell you it doesn't look nice! Don't think that airbags and belts will always save you.
HANS is nice, but only works with a special 5 or 6 point safety harness and suitable and certified full race seat. For in a street car just forget it. Unless you go for a Formula 1/Indycar look, have excess cash and want to look like fool, don't use HANS without the rest of the equipment which makes it such a great system.
Buy a helmet with a safety certificate. SNELL 2000 or newer is fine, some local norms like British Standards Institute will also do. For a list of manufacturers certified for motorsport use look on www.fia.com.
To those of you who want to buy online, think again. As I said above, helmets have to fit perfectly for you to enjoy wearing them. I go to a shop, try the helmet and buy the one I tried. Each helmet is a little different, some have a seam here or there, something I don't notice when buying online. Finally a responsible seller will never accept a returned helmet from a customer, how sincere the buyer may seem. If a helmet suffers a single hard impact (e.g. on a stone floor) it is in principle unsafe to use. Therefore helmets should never be returned to a store.
As far as brands are concerned, this is a personal thing. Some brands will fit you but will be uncomfortable for me. I have used Arai, Bell and Sparco. All different brands, all fit me perfectly. Don't just go for a 'cool' design, buy what fits and look for the least weight!!!
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My Ride: MY RIDE is DA real .-) HAMANN 5 aka BLACK MAMBA born on 16/06/2005/delivered on 05/08/2005 as following:
530dA (steptronic), Black II (JET), leather Dakota auburn black, mapple trim, head-up display, dynamic drive, active steering, adaptive xenon headlights (auto levelling) with headlight washers, alarm, comfort seats with massage function, advanced A/C, big compartment armrest, aux-in, MP3, Logic 7, Radio PRO, CD in-dash+cd changer, power rear sunshades, rear airbags, park distance control, auto dimming folding mirrors, smoking package, shiny shadow line (individual), fold down rear seats, ski bag, sport suspension, run flats on �116-style� rims (Good Year NCT5+), cup holders, debadged, fire extinguishers, additional permanent power outlet, BMW coat hanger, trunk release button (installed by Hobi), GPS tracking device and a big thx 2 Iceman.
Mods done:
� Authentic HAMANN FRONT APRON Including ellipsoid fog lights Item-No.: 10 060 110
� Authentic HAMANN REAR SPOILER Item-No.: 10 060 130,
� Authentic HAMANN HAMANN ALUMINIUM PEDALS For cars with manual gearbox Item-No.: 80 099 100 81,00 For cars with automatic transmission Item-No.: 80 099 120
� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
� Authentic HAMANN EXCLUSIVE FLOORMAT SET In black with HAMANN logo in silver For left-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060 120 For right-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060
� Authentic HAMANN COVER FOR OIL FILLER CAP In aluminium Item-No.: 80 099 117
� Authentic HAMANN SPORT REAR MUFFLER 4 TAILPIPES Sport rear muffler with four round stainless-steel tailpipes ( � 76mm ) Item-No.: 50 060 111
� Authentic HAMANN new add-on for M pack rear with diffusor for quad pipes -AVAILABLE NOW (http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=30630&st=0#entry332409)
� ///M steering wheel w Pegasus logo (this will be also changed to three spoke sports)
� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
most improtant:
�real and working like a charm forumsbuy real LED tails and PIAA 4700k fogs!!! for HAMANN full front apron you need H3
� CustomAngels, Angel Eyes Brighter than stocks 10X, WHITE & (REd for shows).
� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
� Authentic HAMANN REAL CF ROOF SPOLIER Item-No.: 10 060 235
� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
� Authentic HAMANN sports mirrors (all functions)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and of course !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E60.net Clings
Still to do list;-):
� Our Hobi's camera system from : ww.switchchange.com).
� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
New to the forum and so pro thx for all.
I guess you live in the Netherlands ??? or
could mention me a place to go and try , here in Belgium, BXL I am not aware of any, that is why I thought only online I cud buy, I want no fancy but good,
Concerning air-bag I heared that I am not allowed to wear a closed helmet, only open.
But if you say that closed is the better may be in Europe we have different rules.
Does of you never wear helmets or just do not care who go to Nurburgring etc..
THANKS A LOT this forum is the best family
I guess you live in the Netherlands ??? or
could mention me a place to go and try , here in Belgium, BXL I am not aware of any, that is why I thought only online I cud buy, I want no fancy but good,
Concerning air-bag I heared that I am not allowed to wear a closed helmet, only open.
But if you say that closed is the better may be in Europe we have different rules.
Does of you never wear helmets or just do not care who go to Nurburgring etc..
THANKS A LOT this forum is the best family