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07-23-2009, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by craigm1841' post='952038' date='Jul 23 2009, 02:51 PM
I dont care if the guy was purple and the cop was blue, the cop did his job.
+1 Tru Dat!
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Originally Posted by kscarrol' post='951985' date='Jul 23 2009, 05:26 PM
The article I read stated that the police officer asked the professor who he was and he responded that he was the homeowner. The officer then asked for some form of ID and that's when the professor start complaining about racism. I have not read in any of the multiple versions of this story that the professor presented ID and then was arrested.
Obviously only the professor and the officer know the real truth but it sounds to me like an officer responding appropriately in a tense situation.
I'm with CWS530. I had a very similar experience at my house several years ago, alarm tripped, ADT calls the police, I arrive home before the police and am confronted by an officer wanting to know what I was doing there. I responded I live here, he asked for ID which, when I reached for my wallet in my back pocket, he reached for his gun. Presented ID and he then searched the house for me to make there were no intruders left.
Those guys put their lives on the line every day. No one should expect a police officer responding to a reported crime to treat them politely. Simply show the man your ID and then he will move on to handle the rest of the crime scene...
Obviously only the professor and the officer know the real truth but it sounds to me like an officer responding appropriately in a tense situation.
I'm with CWS530. I had a very similar experience at my house several years ago, alarm tripped, ADT calls the police, I arrive home before the police and am confronted by an officer wanting to know what I was doing there. I responded I live here, he asked for ID which, when I reached for my wallet in my back pocket, he reached for his gun. Presented ID and he then searched the house for me to make there were no intruders left.
Those guys put their lives on the line every day. No one should expect a police officer responding to a reported crime to treat them politely. Simply show the man your ID and then he will move on to handle the rest of the crime scene...
07-23-2009, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by craigm1841' post='952038' date='Jul 23 2009, 04:51 PM
that woman during the press conference is stupid for asking that quetsion anyway, and should have been punched in the face.
I am so pissed this is getting coverage because of the race thing. I dont care if the guy was purple and the cop was blue, the cop did his job.
I am so pissed this is getting coverage because of the race thing. I dont care if the guy was purple and the cop was blue, the cop did his job.
It was extremely unpresidential for Obama to comment on this, especially from his apparent position of ignorance.
Then for him to suggest racial profiling, and to call the police stupid?
Excuse me?
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Originally Posted by rik zeppelin' post='952251' date='Jul 23 2009, 08:37 PM
It was extremely unpresidential for Obama to comment on this, especially from his apparent position of ignorance.
Then for him to suggest racial profiling, and to call the police stupid?
Excuse me?
Then for him to suggest racial profiling, and to call the police stupid?
Excuse me?
Last night, Obama let personal feelings cloud his judgment of how to answer a question as he answered pretty quickly and abruptly, and might I add inappropriately. This is amazing to me considering the thought that goes into each question he answers. For this, I feel our presidents ignorance shined through for the first time since he has been in the national spotlight. As much as I dont care for the mans policies, I have nothing against him personally. Last night that changed. It goes to show that not even an intelligent educated man who is the most poweful man in the world and an example for many to follow is NOT above letting personal feelings related to race cloud his judgment
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Originally Posted by craigm1841' post='952256' date='Jul 23 2009, 08:48 PM
i know. incredible. I was blown away. as everyone here knows i am not an obama supporter, HOWEVER, his standpoint on race related issues have been very neutral as they should be. he is the leader of Americans, regardless of color or ethnicity. I dont commend him for this, as that is the way it should be.
Last night, Obama let personal feelings cloud his judgment of how to answer a question as he answered pretty quickly and abruptly, and might I add inappropriately. This is amazing to me considering the thought that goes into each question he answers. For this, I feel our presidents ignorance shined through for the first time since he has been in the national spotlight. As much as I dont care for the mans policies, I have nothing against him personally. Last night that changed. It goes to show that not even an intelligent educated man who is the most poweful man in the world and an example for many to follow is NOT above letting personal feelings related to race cloud his judgment
Last night, Obama let personal feelings cloud his judgment of how to answer a question as he answered pretty quickly and abruptly, and might I add inappropriately. This is amazing to me considering the thought that goes into each question he answers. For this, I feel our presidents ignorance shined through for the first time since he has been in the national spotlight. As much as I dont care for the mans policies, I have nothing against him personally. Last night that changed. It goes to show that not even an intelligent educated man who is the most poweful man in the world and an example for many to follow is NOT above letting personal feelings related to race cloud his judgment
+1 Obama wasn't there and should have kept his mouth shut. By showing his personal feeling on the subject, he opened himself up for all kinds of criticism.
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Originally Posted by CWS530' post='951913' date='Jul 23 2009, 04:42 PM
OK, so this professor from Harvard isn't exactly a celebrity, but he's important enough for Obama to mouth off for on his behalf. Had the police come to my house and I refused to show them ID after they'd been sent to respond to a burglary, and I raised enough hell for them to charge me with disorderly conduct, I'd be in jail right now. Well, get a call from the Prez and the charge is dropped.
Hey, I'd be irritated too if I'd just returned jetlagged from an overseas trip and a cop was asking me for my ID to get into my own house. However, once he explained he was sent to investigate a robbery, I would have thanked him for doing his job and protecting my property. OK, so I'm white, right? Easy for me to say? Read up on this officer's background--doesn't sound like a racist to me. Sounds like a guy doing his job who didn't appreciate being screamed at by some Ivory Tower snob. :thumbsdown:
Story here:
http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?ps=10...LARSDCCLM_UNEWS
Hey, I'd be irritated too if I'd just returned jetlagged from an overseas trip and a cop was asking me for my ID to get into my own house. However, once he explained he was sent to investigate a robbery, I would have thanked him for doing his job and protecting my property. OK, so I'm white, right? Easy for me to say? Read up on this officer's background--doesn't sound like a racist to me. Sounds like a guy doing his job who didn't appreciate being screamed at by some Ivory Tower snob. :thumbsdown:
Story here:
http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?ps=10...LARSDCCLM_UNEWS
Read the police report (which is available on-line on multiple sites) and you will get only angrier. It sounds like there was racial bias but not by the police but by the professor. That is, from the moment the police showed up, the professor took the attitude that everything was about his color and he wasn't going to tolerate the "abuse".
I was in a situation once with a police officer and started to disagree with him and challenge what he was doing. He told me we could "discuss it at the station". I backed down, situation over. If I really wanted to, I could have gone to his superiors after the fact. Bottom line I knew not to start yelling at him and I didn't get arrested.
Obama let me down on this one. I think he inflamed the situation, made things worse and set back race relations.
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The President of the United States has no business making statements like that under any circumstance. All law enforcement professionals have every right to be offended. I am offended that my president would do something so reactionary. It does not bode well for him as one of his rival's main criticisms was his lack of experience and political acumen.
He should leave the "I'll defend anyone of my race regardless of the facts" bullsh*t to professional opportunists like Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton.
He should leave the "I'll defend anyone of my race regardless of the facts" bullsh*t to professional opportunists like Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton.
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It's your president personal friend and you guys can't deny that racism don't exist.I been to Texas that place is segregated like no other place I been too. Cops all got that authority attitude, That you listen to me cause I got a gun and back up and 90% of there days they spent dealing with bums and junkies so of course everyone to them is a dummy. Growing up cops in my neighborhood use to tell us everyone in this community is a criminal until u prove us not.
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Calvin you will love what I saw on the news this morning:
The officer involved with the Harvard professor not only had been a veteran of the Cambridge PD for 11 years, he saved one of the Celtics when he went into cardiac arrest during practice by giving mouth-to-mouth, not something a racist usually does to a large black man. Secondly, he is the instructor for the PD's "Racial Profiling Sensitivity Training" - isn't that HYSTERICAL the supposed "HIEL HITLER?WHITE POWER" racist teaches sensitivity in these situations. Which only leads me to believe he did everything in his power to quell the situation before he arrested the dear professor. This whole thing is ridiculous.
You're right also in saying POTUS has no need or business meddling in what is clearly a local police matter - friend or not. I am a big Obama supported (as is well known) but I cannot defend this one.
The officer involved with the Harvard professor not only had been a veteran of the Cambridge PD for 11 years, he saved one of the Celtics when he went into cardiac arrest during practice by giving mouth-to-mouth, not something a racist usually does to a large black man. Secondly, he is the instructor for the PD's "Racial Profiling Sensitivity Training" - isn't that HYSTERICAL the supposed "HIEL HITLER?WHITE POWER" racist teaches sensitivity in these situations. Which only leads me to believe he did everything in his power to quell the situation before he arrested the dear professor. This whole thing is ridiculous.
You're right also in saying POTUS has no need or business meddling in what is clearly a local police matter - friend or not. I am a big Obama supported (as is well known) but I cannot defend this one.
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Originally Posted by TEAM M' post='952857' date='Jul 24 2009, 10:20 AM
It's your president personal friend and you guys can't deny that racism don't exist.I been to Texas that place is segregated like no other place I been too. Cops all got that authority attitude, That you listen to me cause I got a gun and back up and 90% of there days they spent dealing with bums and junkies so of course everyone to them is a dummy. Growing up cops in my neighborhood use to tell us everyone in this community is a criminal until u prove us not.