JetBlack5OC

In something of a split-decision, the FIA's World Motor Sport Council found against the McLaren-Mercedes team in the hearing over the question of whether it had illegally obtained technical information from Ferrari. However, it chose not to issue any penalties against the World Championship-leading team.

They found McLaren guilty of possession of unauthorized documents from Ferrari, but also concluded that there was no evidence that the team had made use of the information, so it elected not to punish the team.

That's exactly what I expected to happen, its just too difficult to find out if Mclaren directly benefited from the illegal docs.

Of course Ferrari will continue to whine like little babies.

Glad this will not end up ruining this amazing season of F1.

Iceman

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JetBlack5OC

Ah, repost is ok.

Get to rub it in a little more, Ferrari fans.

AlexFW

Iceman, I vote for cancelling idiot threads .
Mc Laren had by hands 900 pages of documents : they could produce a new F2007 : incredible!
Also Briatore, that is an enemy of Ferrari, is indignant .

In past 5-7 years, how many championship Mc Laren won ?
Zero ?
Only with all diagrams of the Ferrari can win .. BRAVI!


In the '80s, because of another similar (but blander) damage suffered, Enzo Ferrari threatened to leave F1 .. And immediately the guilty was punished .
Mc Laren is capable to win only cheating

JetBlack5OC

You sound like one of those whining little Ferrari fans.

Keep supporting a team with no class

Examples:
1) Barrichello ordered to let Schumacher pass to take over second place, controversial(Austria 2001)
2) Again Barrichello ordered to let Schumacher pass to hand over victory, this time just yards before the finish line(Austria 2002)
3) Schumacher stopping on the track in Monaco, preventing others from making their final hot laps in quali.
4) Jean Todt just looks like a little troll

Mclaren dominated the 80's and 90's, with championships in 1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1998, 1999.

These championships were won when real racing was going on.

If it were not for Ferarris little cheap deal with Bridgestone, they would have not seen some much success. Bridgestone catered to Ferarri's every little demand.

Now that we are on the same tire, whos winning now. Take BMW Sauber for example, they have made an incredible leap this year in performance. Part of the reason is because everyone is on the same tire, equal opportunity.

Nigel Stepney didn't need documents, he was the Race and Test Technical Manager at Ferrari, he knew every little thing about their car. Documents are irrelevant.

Iceman

Oh yeah. But there were times when Ferrari dominated? And those were times of real racing too. BTW: what is "real" racing in your mind? They are and allways have been racing out there. But there was one guy that dominated.


That's not correct what you say here. Documents are NOT irrelevant. Stepney knew everything and didn't needed documents, so far I agree. But how can he hand over his brain? Only with handing over documents. That's what he did, and immediately McL MB started winning again. Also, McL MB complained on the spot about the Ferrari, and the FIA rules were changed after the race. Again: nothing illegal was done by Ferrari at that time.
Stepney did something illegal, and it is quite obvious that McL MB was reading the documents, at least one! The only problem is, there's no technical evidence, therefore McL MB is not getting punished.

JetBlack5OC

Whats wrong with it, everything, it cheapens the sport.

Barrichello dominated the Austria 2002 race and then just yards before the finish line he was ordered to give the race to Michael.

Too me, that is a F**kin disgrace to the sport and all the fans watching.


FYI: Ayrton Senna will always be the best racer ever to live, not Mrs. Schumacher.

To be honest I am not a fan of Mclaren or Ferrari. I just think Ferrari is class-less.

Iceman

No, it doesn't cheapen the sport. They had a mission, a vision. And both drivers knew about it. They signed their contract this way, and Rubens was No. 2, accepted it, knew it, played his role. Ferrari wanted both titles, and Rubens was serving Michael. You see that everyday in bicycle races like the Tour de France. There are teams, working together, serving the captain to make him a winner.
It's not a disgrace, because Ferrari won, and would have won it the other way aroung too. They just decided to let Michael take all the points.

Ayrton Senna was the greatest driver at that time, and (if you're honest) one of the biggest a$$holes too.
If you compare everything that we know about both drivers as of today, Michael would have won against him. Schumacher is the better driver, because he is not just driving, he is a perfectionist with all the tech-knowledge and knows how to make the team work and how to make the car fast. Just by looking at the driving skills, Senna is a little better, but more risking than Schumacher, and Schumacher delivers the better over-all package, making the team a winning team.
In the end, this is a worthless discussion, because we will never see the two drive together, because Ayrton Senna died waaaaaaaaay too early, and Schumacher doesn't even drive any more. It would have been very interesting to see the two driving against each other, and it would have made F1 much more interesting than it was with Michael doing his lonely rounds.
Class-less? No, I don't think so. Both teams are equaly class-less. The one at the bottom of the list is Flavio Briatore, IMHO. I am no fan of any F1 team, I watch the races sometimes, but that's it.
I am a big fan of other racing classes here in Germany, such as the DTM. Personally a fan of "Strietzel", Hans-Joachim Stuck.

JetBlack5OC

Yes, Senna was a bit of an aggressive/passionate driver at times, that is what made him a legend in motor sports. I have always loved aggressive drivers, thats why I am a Alonso, Montoya, Zanardi fan. Although not labeled as aggressive, I am a Trulli fan as well.

If we were able to put Senna and Schumacher in equally prepared cars, same tires, same chassis, same engine, same everything. I would put my money on Senna, no question!

The argument over Ferrari is useless, there are Ferrari fans and Ferrari haters. Well you can put me in with the haters.

As far as DTM drivers go, I wish Christian Albers would have gotten a better chance at F1, he is a great driver.

Iceman

I don't like Alonso, I am an Alonso hater. But agree with the rest.
Agressive driving is needed in racing. Schumacher was also providing the team with more than just good driving skills.
Anyways, I agree, equal cars, equal everything, Senna finishes before Schumacher!
He passed away too early, may he R.I.P.