What the new F10 Really needs.
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Originally Posted by juris335' post='1066704' date='Dec 2 2009, 09:40 PM
Very good my son. Glad you learned how to disagree with another with class and intelligence.
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Originally Posted by tachyon' post='1066489' date='Dec 2 2009, 04:07 PM
Reliability certainly is a relative attribute ... and our expectations (which change over time) go a long way towards how we view our experiences.
As I have noted before, the vast majority of topics we talk about here have nothing to do with mechanical failures ... yes, there are a few electrical issues now and then. But almost everything we discuss here is about how to make our E60s look cooler, handle sharper, and go faster.
I've owned a bunch of BMWs over the past 20 years, and I have never been stranded by one. The only common failure I have experienced is the batteries ... so now I just pro-actively change them out at 4 years.
Industry data shows that reliability has improved significantly from 10 years ago - and so have BMWs.
As I have noted before, the vast majority of topics we talk about here have nothing to do with mechanical failures ... yes, there are a few electrical issues now and then. But almost everything we discuss here is about how to make our E60s look cooler, handle sharper, and go faster.
I've owned a bunch of BMWs over the past 20 years, and I have never been stranded by one. The only common failure I have experienced is the batteries ... so now I just pro-actively change them out at 4 years.
Industry data shows that reliability has improved significantly from 10 years ago - and so have BMWs.
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Originally Posted by tachyon' post='1066489' date='Dec 2 2009, 04:07 PM
Reliability certainly is a relative attribute ... and our expectations (which change over time) go a long way towards how we view our experiences.
As I have noted before, the vast majority of topics we talk about here have nothing to do with mechanical failures ... yes, there are a few electrical issues now and then. But almost everything we discuss here is about how to make our E60s look cooler, handle sharper, and go faster.
I've owned a bunch of BMWs over the past 20 years, and I have never been stranded by one. The only common failure I have experienced is the batteries ... so now I just pro-actively change them out at 4 years.
Industry data shows that reliability has improved significantly from 10 years ago - and so have BMWs.
As I have noted before, the vast majority of topics we talk about here have nothing to do with mechanical failures ... yes, there are a few electrical issues now and then. But almost everything we discuss here is about how to make our E60s look cooler, handle sharper, and go faster.
I've owned a bunch of BMWs over the past 20 years, and I have never been stranded by one. The only common failure I have experienced is the batteries ... so now I just pro-actively change them out at 4 years.
Industry data shows that reliability has improved significantly from 10 years ago - and so have BMWs.
Amen.
My car turns 5 in April, and it has been nearly perfect.
-Needed a code upgrade to fix a false battery drain warning
-Key was replaced (my fault for dropping the keys onto tile floor almost daily)
-Rotors and brakes replaced due to squeaking
-Runflats replaced due to roar
-Passenger side window trap repair
That's it. Nothing else. Pretty amazing when you consider the only thing that could have kept the car off the road (broken key diode) was my doing. The spare key kept me mobile... thankfully it broke at home where I could grab the spare.
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Originally Posted by mag75' post='1067000' date='Dec 3 2009, 07:52 AM
Well played. I was wondering to myself why you were so intrigued and opinionated of my posts....it is now clear to me...you are the post police.
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My message remains- show a little class when you disagree with someone.
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I personally feel that reliability is how you maintain the car as you drive it through the years..tender loving care can give your car many many years of happiness..except wear & tear items of course...
When the 1st batch of E46 arrived, it had teething problems..and I recall mine had the engine suddenly stalled at the traffic junction just over 20K on the odo..and mind you, the E46 was a revolution over the E36 in terms of design, engine etc etc... Then in the 3rd year, the aircon compressor konked out and then following that, the coolant system, resulting in engine overheating..
My pal who got the 2nd batch E39 sometime in 1999 had his brakes fail him in just over 40k and he wasn't even a fast driver!! Then there was tranny problems..gear changes which were jerky..
Same I heard for the 1st few batches of E60 when it was launched..engine stalling, ABS failure, I-Drive going into ballistic christmas lights blinking on the screen without apparent reason..
Every car will suffer reliability issues. Even a reliable mode of transport like a Bicycle can have brake failures!
When the 1st batch of E46 arrived, it had teething problems..and I recall mine had the engine suddenly stalled at the traffic junction just over 20K on the odo..and mind you, the E46 was a revolution over the E36 in terms of design, engine etc etc... Then in the 3rd year, the aircon compressor konked out and then following that, the coolant system, resulting in engine overheating..
My pal who got the 2nd batch E39 sometime in 1999 had his brakes fail him in just over 40k and he wasn't even a fast driver!! Then there was tranny problems..gear changes which were jerky..
Same I heard for the 1st few batches of E60 when it was launched..engine stalling, ABS failure, I-Drive going into ballistic christmas lights blinking on the screen without apparent reason..
Every car will suffer reliability issues. Even a reliable mode of transport like a Bicycle can have brake failures!
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Originally Posted by tachyon' post='1066489' date='Dec 2 2009, 08:07 PM
Reliability certainly is a relative attribute ... and our expectations (which change over time) go a long way towards how we view our experiences.
As I have noted before, the vast majority of topics we talk about here have nothing to do with mechanical failures ... yes, there are a few electrical issues now and then. But almost everything we discuss here is about how to make our E60s look cooler, handle sharper, and go faster.
I've owned a bunch of BMWs over the past 20 years, and I have never been stranded by one. The only common failure I have experienced is the batteries ... so now I just pro-actively change them out at 4 years.
Industry data shows that reliability has improved significantly from 10 years ago - and so have BMWs.
As I have noted before, the vast majority of topics we talk about here have nothing to do with mechanical failures ... yes, there are a few electrical issues now and then. But almost everything we discuss here is about how to make our E60s look cooler, handle sharper, and go faster.
I've owned a bunch of BMWs over the past 20 years, and I have never been stranded by one. The only common failure I have experienced is the batteries ... so now I just pro-actively change them out at 4 years.
Industry data shows that reliability has improved significantly from 10 years ago - and so have BMWs.
Out of curiocity, where did you find this chart ?
To be honest, i fail to understand how people actually believe cars are made better (quality wise) and are more reliable today. Except the fact that i will take any "industrial data" with a pinch of salt, have you noticed it is only for the first 3 years ? Funny enough is when most warranties expire.
Todays cars are packed with electronics; mass produced electronics, sensors and connectors. And i'm not even going to mention the software. Do you honestly think the posibility of i.e a starter system failing on the e34 is the same as the e60 ? Considering of course that instead of just the mechanical switch and a starter motor failing the e60 also has a start button switch, the electronic key system and the switch/sensor for the clutch .
So a car with 2000 more electronic components, run by a very compicated software is more reliable from a stripped down mechanically based car ? Honestly ?
Maybe possible but expect to pay 3 times the price. You see, today they can actually make cars with 10 times the reliability using just the essentials electronics and simplified software and quality materials. But they will be out of business. Nobody wants you to keep a trouble free car for 10 years and if they also can make you pay more for all the gadgets and electronics -and have even more profit- all the better
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From: Originally from Koeln, Deutschland. Enjoying it in Bonita Springs, Florida Now :)
Originally Posted by spiros' post='1067672' date='Dec 4 2009, 05:20 AM
Out of curiocity, where did you find this chart ?
To be honest, i fail to understand how people actually believe cars are made better (quality wise) and are more reliable today. Except the fact that i will take any "industrial data" with a pinch of salt, have you noticed it is only for the first 3 years ? Funny enough is when most warranties expire.
Todays cars are packed with electronics; mass produced electronics, sensors and connectors. And i'm not even going to mention the software. Do you honestly think the posibility of i.e a starter system failing on the e34 is the same as the e60 ? Considering of course that instead of just the mechanical switch and a starter motor failing the e60 also has a start button switch, the electronic key system and the switch/sensor for the clutch .
So a car with 2000 more electronic components, run by a very compicated software is more reliable from a stripped down mechanically based car ? Honestly ?
Maybe possible but expect to pay 3 times the price. You see, today they can actually make cars with 10 times the reliability using just the essentials electronics and simplified software and quality materials. But they will be out of business. Nobody wants you to keep a trouble free car for 10 years and if they also can make you pay more for all the gadgets and electronics -and have even more profit- all the better
To be honest, i fail to understand how people actually believe cars are made better (quality wise) and are more reliable today. Except the fact that i will take any "industrial data" with a pinch of salt, have you noticed it is only for the first 3 years ? Funny enough is when most warranties expire.
Todays cars are packed with electronics; mass produced electronics, sensors and connectors. And i'm not even going to mention the software. Do you honestly think the posibility of i.e a starter system failing on the e34 is the same as the e60 ? Considering of course that instead of just the mechanical switch and a starter motor failing the e60 also has a start button switch, the electronic key system and the switch/sensor for the clutch .
So a car with 2000 more electronic components, run by a very compicated software is more reliable from a stripped down mechanically based car ? Honestly ?
Maybe possible but expect to pay 3 times the price. You see, today they can actually make cars with 10 times the reliability using just the essentials electronics and simplified software and quality materials. But they will be out of business. Nobody wants you to keep a trouble free car for 10 years and if they also can make you pay more for all the gadgets and electronics -and have even more profit- all the better
There is a reason why the E30 can handle so many miles.
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Originally Posted by Krozi' post='1064902' date='Nov 30 2009, 09:05 AM
Here's the deal.....it won't be.
They pack SO much technology into these cars and all of that will have to be replaced and will fail sooner or later. They pack SO many features into the F10 but it won't cost a whole lot more. Then we have all this emmission regulation bullsh*t.
These cars are getting more and more flimsy.
There's a reason a E30 can hit 250k miles, and an E60 usually doesn't see much more life after 100k miles.
They pack SO much technology into these cars and all of that will have to be replaced and will fail sooner or later. They pack SO many features into the F10 but it won't cost a whole lot more. Then we have all this emmission regulation bullsh*t.
These cars are getting more and more flimsy.
There's a reason a E30 can hit 250k miles, and an E60 usually doesn't see much more life after 100k miles.
If I ever was in the market for it, I'd choose the LS over the 7 any day. BMW *had* design as its edge in terms of the 3 and the 5 (never liked the 7) but now with the F10 looking like a smaller 7, they've now lost that edge.
