Originally Posted by JeffNNJ

Now that the M-Sport model has launched I hear "you people" coming out of the woodwork to praise it. I WAS RIGHT! Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Originally Posted by GENEaTALS

don't be too quick to say "I told you so"

many members are still on the fence regarding the f10, even with the m sport kit...the rear on the m sport pkg is still going to take some getting used to...but I think most of us are coming around regarding a non m sport pkg f10....

Originally Posted by m630

what i mean is simple, the package did not fit the market it is serving, therefore it is a poor product period(i did not say low quality product, but a poor product, which it certainly is)

The 5er is not meant to be a full sized luxury boat, which it has become, it was supposed to be a sport saloon dripping in luxury, very different concept and this F10 does not fit that description as most every objective poster has noted. Thats a poor product offering.

I have not driven it as I dont want a car that large, I dont need a 7er with a few less inches and a few less pounds, so I dont need to drive it to know what it is or is not.

As for what people want to buy, well just read all the comments here from current owners, not many are rushing to buy it to replace their e60s, now are they, and many seem to now be looking elsewhere...that tells me that BMW has javascript:closeGhostery()begun to alienate its current customer base which again is a poor product offering. And we wont even start to discuss the rest of the line up, like the GT, did anyone need this? did bmw need to waste untold R&D on that vehicle? same with the 1series, it was a great idea if they had actually made a smaller car,but to make a 1er that is based on the 3 series platform and just weighs a bit less and cost almost the same, well that is a car that people dont want to buy, they did want a small, agile, LIGHTweight bmw, but they got a bloated 1er and on and on and on.

BMW even proves this point themselves with their "green movement"..they believe people want more ecologically sound vehicles(which I may very well disagree with mind you) so they hype up the efficient dynamics marketing slogans, and yet they build larger, bloated cars that numb the driver involvement with each successive offering, is that a "good product offering" in your mind? Would it not have been more in line with a green movement to offer a slighly SMALLER and significantly LIGHTER f10 than the e60 if you really believed that efficiency is what your customers wanted? I dont think you offer a car that weighs 300-400lbs more, with more power (simply to offset the added weight) and then claim a few extra mpgs and call it green??? Is that a good product offering?


I love bmw and have been on the bandwagon for as long as I knew what cars were, and have owned them for 20 years now including my current bmw, the ultimate bmw if you will, but Im not foolish enough to just follow them when they have abandoned what made me love them for my lifetime. :thumbsdown:

Originally Posted by TitangrauII530iA

And actually, my subjective opinion, the F10 also looks pretty good and sporty. I always like it as I see it waiting for me... And the E60 looks so old in traffic...
Best regards,
TGII

Originally Posted by BigMike

I hate the F10 for one reason:

No friggin room for spare time. They expect me to use RFT? I hate those! I want performance tires that means.... big.... but the last thing I need is to go buy a spare time, put it in the trunk and let it bounce around..... :thumbsdown:

Originally Posted by Ricracing

+ 1 - absolutely!