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Perhaps, but it's the best - and with the right level of investment it is by far the fastest - car on your list by a massive margin. The Turbo gets 0-60 in a little over 3 seconds - I've seen 3.2 as the fastest and it will outhandle almost anything. Looks are polarizing (I quite like it, I can see why others may not) but it is a fantastic car. It's selling amazingly well despite the fact that you can barely get into even the base V8 models for much less than 100K.
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Not a surprising review given my experience w/ the F10. But still disappointing, I was really looking forward to the new 5 and while the exterior was always a concern, the connection between driver and road is a major issue for me. I'm not looking for a pure sports car but at least in my E60 I feel a connection with the road. That is lacking in the F10...
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This review is really disappointing considering that only a couple of months back Motortrend did a similar comparison and the E60 placed first. I wonder how long it will take for BMW to tweak the steering feel.
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Here's the Car & Driver Article for those who are interested! According to the article C&D did not get the Sports Package on the tested vehicle, not sure if this makes would've made a difference to the test!
2011 BMW 5-series / 535i - Second Drive
Honey, I Shrunk the Seven: The sixth 5-series is almost a 7.
Before the controversial and oft-derided 7-series stormed onto the scene in 2001, the design of BMW?s flagship dictated the look of the rest of the sedans in the lineup. The 7?s design would trickle down to the smaller sedans with only a few alterations. The main difference was the size: Buyers could opt for small (3-series), medium (5-series), or large (7-series) versions of what looked like the same car. Some criticized this strategy and accused the brand of merely offering ?sausages of different lengths,? another way of saying BMW?s design lacked variation and adequate differentiation between models. But when the 5-series and 3-series that followed the 2002 7-series were unveiled, it was a relief to see that, aside from a few 7-series cues, they?d been spared the paunchiness of the overwrought 7. The smaller the car, the less controversial its styling, which seemed to signal an end to the strategy of ?sausages of different lengths.?
Now that BMW has launched a redesigned 7-series (for 2009) and a new, sixth-generation 5-series, it?s clear that the *variable-length sausages are back. We?re envisioning someone at BMW headquarters saying, ?Pull out zee shrink ray, Claus, it?s time to make zee 5er.? Indeed, the design presentation of the new 5-series largely consisted of BMW?s chief designer, Adrian van Hooydonk, pointing out the minor design differences between the 5 and the 7 in what seemed like an attempt to convince us that he does not, in fact, possess a shrink ray.
Making the 5-series a smaller 7-series is fine by us. Unlike the 5-series that preceded it, the new car?s styling is more conservative and elegant, more like the E39 5-series built from 1997 to 2003. The interior design is barely different from the new 7?s, and the plastics and leather feel, smell, and look like the materials used in the big sedan. Our 535i test car cruised the freeways around Lisbon, Portugal, with the poise, supple ride, and silent solidity of a 750i?not surprising considering that the 5-series? platform and chassis are closely related to those of the bigger car.
As in the 7-series, the 5-series? suspension has, for the first time, ditched front struts for a multilink setup. The rear wheels are managed by a new five-link independent suspension design borrowed from the 7-series. All of the electronic handling aids of the 7-series are offered on the 5-series as well. In the U.S., opting for the estimated $3500 Sport package yields ?driving dynamics control,? which allows for a choice of four preselected settings (comfort, normal, sport, and sport plus) for throttle sensitivity, steering effort, shock stiffness, and transmission shift points. The automatically adjusting shocks are part of the Sport-package deal, as are active anti-roll bars that adjust to manage body roll. Sport-package models will also get a larger wheel-and-summer-tire package?standard versions get 18-by-8.0-inch wheels with 245/45R-18 all-season tires.
Our European-spec 535i didn?t have the U.S.-spec Sport package but was equipped with all of the computerized handling gizmos that would come in that package, plus ?integral active steering,? which includes four-wheel steering. With or without active steering, all 5-series cars now have electrically assisted rack-and-pinion setups. BMW?s active-steering system changes the steering ratio according to vehicle speed and how far the driver turns the wheel, its goal being to reduce the amount the driver has to crank at the helm. What it does on the road is make the steering feel eerily fast on turn-in and often twitchy in midcorner as it doles out varying ratios despite a constant steering-angle input from the driver. Fortunately, active steering is a stand-alone option and therefore avoidable. For comparison purposes, we drove a car without that feature and found the steering predictable, although the effort from the new electric assist in either guise is a tad light for our tastes.
One disadvantage of ?being closely related to the 7-series shows up in the claimed curb weight?nearly 4100 pounds for a 535i and 4400 for a 550i automatic. Despite the use of aluminum in the doors, hood, trunk, and front fenders, the new 535i is 400 pounds heavier than its predecessor (according to BMW?s numbers). On our scales, however, a current-generation 535i manual weighed in at nearly 3900 pounds, so we?ll have to do a full road test to ascertain the severity of the 5?s weight gain. Overall length is up by two inches, and the wheelbase is now 116.9 inches long, an increase of 3.2 inches. The car might be a little bigger outside, but interior space is nearly unchanged. Even with the added bulk, the 5-series contentedly sluiced through the tight corners of the Estoril racetrack near Lisbon with the nimbleness of a lighter car.
Two models, the six-cylinder 535i and the V-8 550i, will be offered when the 5-series goes on sale here in June. We expect a small price increase over the 2010 models, with the 535i likely to start at about $54,000 and the 550i commanding at least $62,000. Early in 2011, a naturally aspirated 240-hp, 3.0-liter 528i will join the lineup, and at that time all-wheel drive will be added as an option for all three models.
Until the next M5 shows up sometime in 2011, the most powerful 5-series will be the twin-turbocharged 400-hp, 4.4-liter V-8 550i. Borrowed from the 750i, the twin-turbo V-8 makes 40 more horsepower than its naturally aspirated 4.8-liter V-8 predecessor. BMW estimates a 0-to-60-mph time of 5.0 seconds for both the six-speed-manual and eight-speed-automatic versions of the 550i, which is likely conservative.
Powering the 535i is a new single-turbo inline-six that replaces last year?s twin-turbo six. Cleaner burning than the twin-turbo engine, the single-turbo six displaces 3.0 liters and puts out 300 horsepower and 300 pound-feet of torque. Through the use of Valvetronic variable valve lift, as well as variable valve timing and a twin-scroll turbocharger, BMW claims its new engine is more responsive than before and points to its 1200-rpm torque peak, 200 rpm lower than the twin-turbo?s. We couldn?t detect any turbo lag. There?s also no turbo whine, just the subtle snarl of the inline-six that grows less subtle as the engine approaches its 7000-rpm redline. BMW again estimates identical 0-to-60 times for automatic and manual versions, which should be in the low- to mid-fives.
Although a six-speed manual will be available, all of the test vehicles came bearing the ZF eight-speed automatic transmission, which, when equipped with the Sport package, adds paddle shifters mounted on the steering wheel. Benefiting acceleration and fuel economy is the eight-speed?s wider spread of ratios (first gear is shorter, eighth gear is taller) compared with the previous six-speed auto?s. We did notice that first gear is so short-lived that the transmission seems to stumble the one-to-two shift.
Should the driver stumble, the 5-series? many safety systems are at the ready. In addition to stability and traction control, available safety equipment includes lane-departure warning, blind-spot monitoring, night vision with pedestrian detection, radar-based automatic cruise control with collision warning and automatic braking, and auto-adjusting high-beams. Other optional niceties include automatic parallel parking, in which the car steers itself into a spot (Ford has a similar system on the 2010 Lincoln MKT), and a number of external cameras that provide the driver with a 360-degree view of the vehicle?s surroundings.
The great 5-series cars of the past have offered almost as much luxury as the 7-series but at a more manageable and sportier size. This latest iteration may have gained some weight, but it has also gained in refinement. And, despite the added mass, the sporty dynamics that have made the 5-series the sports car of its segment remain intact. BMW is back to selling its sausages in differing lengths, but damn if they aren?t tasty.
2011 BMW 5-series / 535i - Second Drive
Honey, I Shrunk the Seven: The sixth 5-series is almost a 7.
Before the controversial and oft-derided 7-series stormed onto the scene in 2001, the design of BMW?s flagship dictated the look of the rest of the sedans in the lineup. The 7?s design would trickle down to the smaller sedans with only a few alterations. The main difference was the size: Buyers could opt for small (3-series), medium (5-series), or large (7-series) versions of what looked like the same car. Some criticized this strategy and accused the brand of merely offering ?sausages of different lengths,? another way of saying BMW?s design lacked variation and adequate differentiation between models. But when the 5-series and 3-series that followed the 2002 7-series were unveiled, it was a relief to see that, aside from a few 7-series cues, they?d been spared the paunchiness of the overwrought 7. The smaller the car, the less controversial its styling, which seemed to signal an end to the strategy of ?sausages of different lengths.?
Now that BMW has launched a redesigned 7-series (for 2009) and a new, sixth-generation 5-series, it?s clear that the *variable-length sausages are back. We?re envisioning someone at BMW headquarters saying, ?Pull out zee shrink ray, Claus, it?s time to make zee 5er.? Indeed, the design presentation of the new 5-series largely consisted of BMW?s chief designer, Adrian van Hooydonk, pointing out the minor design differences between the 5 and the 7 in what seemed like an attempt to convince us that he does not, in fact, possess a shrink ray.
Making the 5-series a smaller 7-series is fine by us. Unlike the 5-series that preceded it, the new car?s styling is more conservative and elegant, more like the E39 5-series built from 1997 to 2003. The interior design is barely different from the new 7?s, and the plastics and leather feel, smell, and look like the materials used in the big sedan. Our 535i test car cruised the freeways around Lisbon, Portugal, with the poise, supple ride, and silent solidity of a 750i?not surprising considering that the 5-series? platform and chassis are closely related to those of the bigger car.
As in the 7-series, the 5-series? suspension has, for the first time, ditched front struts for a multilink setup. The rear wheels are managed by a new five-link independent suspension design borrowed from the 7-series. All of the electronic handling aids of the 7-series are offered on the 5-series as well. In the U.S., opting for the estimated $3500 Sport package yields ?driving dynamics control,? which allows for a choice of four preselected settings (comfort, normal, sport, and sport plus) for throttle sensitivity, steering effort, shock stiffness, and transmission shift points. The automatically adjusting shocks are part of the Sport-package deal, as are active anti-roll bars that adjust to manage body roll. Sport-package models will also get a larger wheel-and-summer-tire package?standard versions get 18-by-8.0-inch wheels with 245/45R-18 all-season tires.
Our European-spec 535i didn?t have the U.S.-spec Sport package but was equipped with all of the computerized handling gizmos that would come in that package, plus ?integral active steering,? which includes four-wheel steering. With or without active steering, all 5-series cars now have electrically assisted rack-and-pinion setups. BMW?s active-steering system changes the steering ratio according to vehicle speed and how far the driver turns the wheel, its goal being to reduce the amount the driver has to crank at the helm. What it does on the road is make the steering feel eerily fast on turn-in and often twitchy in midcorner as it doles out varying ratios despite a constant steering-angle input from the driver. Fortunately, active steering is a stand-alone option and therefore avoidable. For comparison purposes, we drove a car without that feature and found the steering predictable, although the effort from the new electric assist in either guise is a tad light for our tastes.
One disadvantage of ?being closely related to the 7-series shows up in the claimed curb weight?nearly 4100 pounds for a 535i and 4400 for a 550i automatic. Despite the use of aluminum in the doors, hood, trunk, and front fenders, the new 535i is 400 pounds heavier than its predecessor (according to BMW?s numbers). On our scales, however, a current-generation 535i manual weighed in at nearly 3900 pounds, so we?ll have to do a full road test to ascertain the severity of the 5?s weight gain. Overall length is up by two inches, and the wheelbase is now 116.9 inches long, an increase of 3.2 inches. The car might be a little bigger outside, but interior space is nearly unchanged. Even with the added bulk, the 5-series contentedly sluiced through the tight corners of the Estoril racetrack near Lisbon with the nimbleness of a lighter car.
Two models, the six-cylinder 535i and the V-8 550i, will be offered when the 5-series goes on sale here in June. We expect a small price increase over the 2010 models, with the 535i likely to start at about $54,000 and the 550i commanding at least $62,000. Early in 2011, a naturally aspirated 240-hp, 3.0-liter 528i will join the lineup, and at that time all-wheel drive will be added as an option for all three models.
Until the next M5 shows up sometime in 2011, the most powerful 5-series will be the twin-turbocharged 400-hp, 4.4-liter V-8 550i. Borrowed from the 750i, the twin-turbo V-8 makes 40 more horsepower than its naturally aspirated 4.8-liter V-8 predecessor. BMW estimates a 0-to-60-mph time of 5.0 seconds for both the six-speed-manual and eight-speed-automatic versions of the 550i, which is likely conservative.
Powering the 535i is a new single-turbo inline-six that replaces last year?s twin-turbo six. Cleaner burning than the twin-turbo engine, the single-turbo six displaces 3.0 liters and puts out 300 horsepower and 300 pound-feet of torque. Through the use of Valvetronic variable valve lift, as well as variable valve timing and a twin-scroll turbocharger, BMW claims its new engine is more responsive than before and points to its 1200-rpm torque peak, 200 rpm lower than the twin-turbo?s. We couldn?t detect any turbo lag. There?s also no turbo whine, just the subtle snarl of the inline-six that grows less subtle as the engine approaches its 7000-rpm redline. BMW again estimates identical 0-to-60 times for automatic and manual versions, which should be in the low- to mid-fives.
Although a six-speed manual will be available, all of the test vehicles came bearing the ZF eight-speed automatic transmission, which, when equipped with the Sport package, adds paddle shifters mounted on the steering wheel. Benefiting acceleration and fuel economy is the eight-speed?s wider spread of ratios (first gear is shorter, eighth gear is taller) compared with the previous six-speed auto?s. We did notice that first gear is so short-lived that the transmission seems to stumble the one-to-two shift.
Should the driver stumble, the 5-series? many safety systems are at the ready. In addition to stability and traction control, available safety equipment includes lane-departure warning, blind-spot monitoring, night vision with pedestrian detection, radar-based automatic cruise control with collision warning and automatic braking, and auto-adjusting high-beams. Other optional niceties include automatic parallel parking, in which the car steers itself into a spot (Ford has a similar system on the 2010 Lincoln MKT), and a number of external cameras that provide the driver with a 360-degree view of the vehicle?s surroundings.
The great 5-series cars of the past have offered almost as much luxury as the 7-series but at a more manageable and sportier size. This latest iteration may have gained some weight, but it has also gained in refinement. And, despite the added mass, the sporty dynamics that have made the 5-series the sports car of its segment remain intact. BMW is back to selling its sausages in differing lengths, but damn if they aren?t tasty.
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Thank God for E60 5 Series!
Seriously... F10 is a joke!
BMW's "mighty days" are over!
Let's just hope the new upcoming 6 Series will not make this kind of mistake!
Looks-wise the Gran Coupe is the winning design! BMW should have adopted that design into the F10 and just improve on the E60 platform! Besides, F10 IS supposed to be an EVOLUTION model to the E60! Not a smaller sized F01! Idiots!
Thank God for E60 5 Series!
Seriously... F10 is a joke!
BMW's "mighty days" are over!
Let's just hope the new upcoming 6 Series will not make this kind of mistake!
Looks-wise the Gran Coupe is the winning design! BMW should have adopted that design into the F10 and just improve on the E60 platform! Besides, F10 IS supposed to be an EVOLUTION model to the E60! Not a smaller sized F01! Idiots!
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Moopai, you've posted an old C&D article, that isn't the one from the latest issue which is the one we're discussing here. The article under discussion isn't yet available on the C&D website.
The car that was tested this time did seemingly have the sport, dynamic handling and premium packages.
The car that was tested this time did seemingly have the sport, dynamic handling and premium packages.
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LOL
Thank God for E60 5 Series!
Seriously... F10 is a joke!
BMW's "mighty days" are over!
Let's just hope the new upcoming 6 Series will not make this kind of mistake!
Looks-wise the Gran Coupe is the winning design! BMW should have adopted that design into the F10 and just improve on the E60 platform! Besides, F10 IS supposed to be an EVOLUTION model to the E60! Not a smaller sized F01! Idiots!
Thank God for E60 5 Series!
Seriously... F10 is a joke!
BMW's "mighty days" are over!
Let's just hope the new upcoming 6 Series will not make this kind of mistake!
Looks-wise the Gran Coupe is the winning design! BMW should have adopted that design into the F10 and just improve on the E60 platform! Besides, F10 IS supposed to be an EVOLUTION model to the E60! Not a smaller sized F01! Idiots!
I am sorry but by my opinion you couldn't be more wrong! I have been driving three different E60s since 2005 and now a F10 535iA since 4/2010. All I need to say is that I wouldn't accept an E60 any more. The F10 is so much better in all possible ways! More dynamic, more comfortable, more quiet, by far more safe (5 stars and excellent rating), better looking from all angles, less fuel consumption, better electronics and by far better quality in all areas, interior and exterior, more accessories available...
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Hello,
I am sorry but by my opinion you couldn't be more wrong! I have been driving three different E60s since 2005 and now a F10 535iA since 4/2010. All I need to say is that I wouldn't accept an E60 any more. The F10 is so much better in all possible ways! More dynamic, more comfortable, more quiet, better looking from all angles, less fuel consumption, better electronics and by far better quality in all areas, interior and exterior, more accessories available...
And the car is sold out from the factory until October now. I am quite sure the F10 will be a huge success for BMW.
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I am sorry but by my opinion you couldn't be more wrong! I have been driving three different E60s since 2005 and now a F10 535iA since 4/2010. All I need to say is that I wouldn't accept an E60 any more. The F10 is so much better in all possible ways! More dynamic, more comfortable, more quiet, better looking from all angles, less fuel consumption, better electronics and by far better quality in all areas, interior and exterior, more accessories available...
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Couldn't agree more! To say the F10 is a joke is ridiculous language. The car is improved in every single way except perhaps steering feel/weight. The E60 was an abomination in my books, ugly, poor interior, poor safety record..
BMW have invested massive research into improving the 5, as per every new model.
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As I mentioned before the F10 will look much better with an M-Tech package and a nice 20" or 21" sporty wheels. I remember my E60 prior to the M-Tech and M166 wheels, it looked pretty lame especially the front. I say give the F10 a chance and I'm sure this car will be a kick-ass vehicle and the proof is the guy that did the miner mods on his white 535i, the car looks amazing all it needs is side panels and the M-Tech front bumper.
I stopped by the dealer this week to see the F10 and I have to say, the interior makes our E60 quite poor. Everything feels luxurious about the car inside out.
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I stopped by the dealer this week to see the F10 and I have to say, the interior makes our E60 quite poor. Everything feels luxurious about the car inside out.
My two cents!!
Couldn't agree more! To say the F10 is a joke is ridiculous language. The car is improved in every single way except perhaps steering feel/weight. The E60 was an abomination in my books, ugly, poor interior, poor safety record..
BMW have invested massive research into improving the 5, as per every new model.
BMW have invested massive research into improving the 5, as per every new model.