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Old 09-03-2010, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tachyon
The 5-series to E-Class dynamic is somewhat worse now than compared to the launch of the E60.

During the first two full months of E60 deliveries (Oct & Nov '03) BMW sold 6,594 units compared to 11,344 E-Class sales (63%). Current BMW 5 series sales are just 51% of the E-Class at the launch of the F10. Gulp.

But even though the E60 got off to a "slow" start too, it eventually caught up to the E-Class and at its peak (Dec 2006, for example), sold more than the E-Class (7,460 to 7,116).
nice info. At westmont BMW they are always short on 5ers for some reason. Only had 2 every time I've stopped by. I've been looking at the m3s there and heading over to napelton Porsche. Trying to decide between the 997 and the M3.

Thing about the 5er is it looks like the 7 and maybe people aren't identfying it.

I've only seen one f10 in downtown Chicago it zipped by me and looked good on the move.
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Originally Posted by CVTBenhogan
I've only seen one f10 in downtown Chicago it zipped by me and looked good on the move.
Other than F10s sitting on a dealer's lot, I have not seen one F10 driving around Chicagoland. I have seen a couple of GTs recently, and many more X6s lately.

Mr. Hogen ... will a 997 hold a set of golf clubs?
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Originally Posted by tachyon
Other than F10s sitting on a dealer's lot, I have not seen one F10 driving around Chicagoland. I have seen a couple of GTs recently, and many more X6s lately.

Mr. Hogen ... will a 997 hold a set of golf clubs?

Come up to the north suburbs sometime and say hi.
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Originally Posted by tachyon
Other than F10s sitting on a dealer's lot, I have not seen one F10 driving around Chicagoland. I have seen a couple of GTs recently, and many more X6s lately.

Mr. Hogen ... will a 997 hold a set of golf clubs?
Yes

Particularly with the roof down
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Originally Posted by tachyon
Other than F10s sitting on a dealer's lot, I have not seen one F10 driving around Chicagoland. I have seen a couple of GTs recently, and many more X6s lately.

Mr. Hogen ... will a 997 hold a set of golf clubs?

Yeah but somewhat of a pain. I'd try a Cayman but the wife says no. No room for the yorkie.
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Originally Posted by tachyon
The 5-series to E-Class dynamic is somewhat worse now than compared to the launch of the E60.

During the first two full months of E60 deliveries (Oct & Nov '03) BMW sold 6,594 units compared to 11,344 E-Class sales (63%). Current BMW 5 series sales are just 51% of the E-Class at the launch of the F10. Gulp.

But even though the E60 got off to a "slow" start too, it eventually caught up to the E-Class and at its peak (Dec 2006, for example), sold more than the E-Class (7,460 to 7,116).
I think the F10 sales will improve compared to the E-class but the E-class has the big price advantage. People are getting loaded E550 out the door for around $60K. Hard to do that with a BMW 550i.
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I think the F10 sales will improve compared to the E-class but the E-class has the big price advantage. People are getting loaded E550 out the door for around $60K. Hard to do that with a BMW 550i.

The base price on the E550 and F10 550 are barely 2K apart. Options on both cars are comparably priced, and, broadly speaking, buyers of both cars are likely to specify the cars with comparable equipment. While you may argue that the F10 is new and arguably less likely to be subject to the same kind of discounts we saw towards the end of the E60s lifecycle, the E Class is already selling many more units and dealers have neither the reason nor the incentive to deeply discount either. Simply put, comparable cars are, broadly, going to be comparably priced. The competition between these two marques is too fierce for anything different to happen - neither one can afford for the other to offer a material price break for comparable cars. Simply put, market forces being what they are mean that you're not going to see any material price advantage between any of the premium German marques. You'll need to look to the Japanese manufacturers, and Infiniti and Acura in particular, before you'll see any meaningful price advantage for cars that directly compete with the 5 Series and E Class.
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Originally Posted by BabkenBMW
But then why does the E-Class totally dominate its market leaving the 5 Series no chance at all?
Let's see next year when BMW can satisfy the market demand.

I'm sure the M-B will sell less E-class than BMW the 5 series.

The new E is not even a better car than the E60.
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Originally Posted by Ricracing
Let's see next year when BMW can satisfy the market demand.

I'm sure the M-B will sell less E-class than BMW the 5 series.

The new E is not even a better car than the E60.
Not going to happen... The E-Class is the better selling car and will remain so for the foreseeable future. Biggest selling doesn't mean that it is the best car, of course, but credit where it is due - the E is the better selling car.


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