Evan's E61 Build: Pics, Updates, and Wagon Love for All
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More often I open this title, the more sad I come ..
I spying on these videos on youtube in advance. That amount of power is impressing, and that you are telling the car is pushing that same every time you drive! Itīs not that common when we are talking about tuning the n54
ps. Do you know wing sizes of those turbos?
I spying on these videos on youtube in advance. That amount of power is impressing, and that you are telling the car is pushing that same every time you drive! Itīs not that common when we are talking about tuning the n54
ps. Do you know wing sizes of those turbos?
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Evan,
We will be running a 93/E85 mix that will be about E60 tune. ATM we don't have throttle body injection (I don't see us going this route) but plan on going to PI maybe sometime over the winter. I should call up Steve as well and advocate for a Stg3 bucket for E6X guys as well seeing as though its going to be needed along with the PI. Running PI with just Stg2 bucket is not going to happen sorry should of clarified.
I spoke with Ken who is our turner and he has had luck running E60 mix on the E6X series cars. Granted your right this could be optimistic until we actually throw the fuel in there and do some logging to see how things go. I know in my 335i with no upgraded fuel pump can run E30 mix without an issue so I will keep you updated.
Have you see Hexon's latest molds for the new turbos?
Dan
Hexon Autowerks RR650 Exhaust housing Mold
We will be running a 93/E85 mix that will be about E60 tune. ATM we don't have throttle body injection (I don't see us going this route) but plan on going to PI maybe sometime over the winter. I should call up Steve as well and advocate for a Stg3 bucket for E6X guys as well seeing as though its going to be needed along with the PI. Running PI with just Stg2 bucket is not going to happen sorry should of clarified.
I spoke with Ken who is our turner and he has had luck running E60 mix on the E6X series cars. Granted your right this could be optimistic until we actually throw the fuel in there and do some logging to see how things go. I know in my 335i with no upgraded fuel pump can run E30 mix without an issue so I will keep you updated.
Have you see Hexon's latest molds for the new turbos?
Dan
Hexon Autowerks RR650 Exhaust housing Mold
I know some of the stock 3 series pumps are strong, my LPFP could only handle E25. I totally agree that TBI would be futile and PI is the way to go since you are running hybrids. When you say Ken ran E60 on a 5 series, I assume that is with hybrid turbos as that is the focus in this discussion, the only way I see that happening is with PI + Stg 2 LPFP. I am definitely curious to see how it all turns out for you, what is your ETA for getting the tune loaded and some logs?
Yes, please pressure Steve!
Evan
More often I open this title, the more sad I come ..
I spying on these videos on youtube in advance. That amount of power is impressing, and that you are telling the car is pushing that same every time you drive! Itīs not that common when we are talking about tuning the n54
ps. Do you know wing sizes of those turbos?
I spying on these videos on youtube in advance. That amount of power is impressing, and that you are telling the car is pushing that same every time you drive! Itīs not that common when we are talking about tuning the n54
ps. Do you know wing sizes of those turbos?
Here are some specs of the turbos:
HYBRID 2 RR550 - PRODUCT - HexonAutowerks.com
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Fantastic. The JB4 has come a long way, with the newest firmware and correct user settings it is impressive. I was planning to get a custom tune focused on driveability but honestly the off-the-shelf maps and proper setup leaves me wanting nothing more.
My Map 6 also has a progressive boost profile and although I am confident I could create monster torque numbers (probably around 600lb/ft) if the boost came in stronger earlier, I prefer my current profile, as I am sure my trans and drivetrain do. When I crank up the boost to 23, 24, or 25 I will toy around with adjusting only the peak number along with the changing all the inputs starting at 2,000rpm.
I am not sure what Map 5 and 7 target at different rpm levels but it may be worth looking into if you feel your car is a little touchy, eager, or boost heavy like mine was with stock turbos and Map 7. I like the concept of choosing your targets even if you are sub 20psi range.
I hit my boost target at 3,000rpm every time, before I adjusted my FUD I would sometime see 21.5psi at 3k with that same 19psi target.
Really happy with the Hexon JB4 combo.
Evan
My Map 6 also has a progressive boost profile and although I am confident I could create monster torque numbers (probably around 600lb/ft) if the boost came in stronger earlier, I prefer my current profile, as I am sure my trans and drivetrain do. When I crank up the boost to 23, 24, or 25 I will toy around with adjusting only the peak number along with the changing all the inputs starting at 2,000rpm.
I am not sure what Map 5 and 7 target at different rpm levels but it may be worth looking into if you feel your car is a little touchy, eager, or boost heavy like mine was with stock turbos and Map 7. I like the concept of choosing your targets even if you are sub 20psi range.
I hit my boost target at 3,000rpm every time, before I adjusted my FUD I would sometime see 21.5psi at 3k with that same 19psi target.
Really happy with the Hexon JB4 combo.
Evan
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I may have missed the post, but with all that power going to the crank and wheels, have you changed anything in the transmission or still stock internals?
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I recently had a custom exhaust system built for my N54 E61 and am very happy with the results. Here is the run-down on the system.
BACKGROUND
For the past 2 years the exhaust on my wagon has gone through many different iterations. First was a simple muffler delete, a fun improvement over stock but it left me wanting more. Next the 2ndary cats were replaced with Vibrant 1792s which offered a slight bump in sound volume.
After a while I got bored and decided to have a local muffler shop do a "custom" system for me, the 3' of oem piping (crushed ~2.3") off the DPs was left in place and the rest of the system was comprised of a Magnaflow resonated x-pipe, 2 Vibrant 1792s, and a muffler delete with a small H-pipe before the tips, all piping after the Magnaflow was crush-bent 2.5". Although there was drone in the 2,000-2,500rpm range, this setup yielded a nice smooth sound, in contrast to the flappy, farty, or raspy sound of many N54 exhausts.
In attempts to kill the drone I replaced the Vibrant 1792s (12") with their longer 18" siblings. Drone persisted but the sound got slightly softer and quieter. I started to research helmholtz and branch resonators and as an experiment had the old 1792 bottle resonators capped and welded into the muffler section as helmholtz resonators, I figured it could only help, WRONG, drone was worse. Immediately I had the muffler shop cut out everything after the Magnaflow resonator so the system is now straight piped with only the Magnaflow resonator in the mix. Surprisingly the system wasn't terribly loud, louder than before, yes, but with the added volume you got more "real" mechanical sounds. I had enough, after hearing a custom single 3" exhaust on my friends E90 (had RBs, now has an FFTEC 6466) I was convinced that was the way to go.
BUILD
Initially I ordered a QTP valve and 2 resonators so the system would be Valve Open: 1 resonator, Valve Closed: 2 resonators. I liked the idea of having options but fitting all this after my rear-axle would be a challenge and after hearing the single resonator setup I was convinced it would be quite enough for me.
Flash forward to October 2015 and I am discussing my plan with Josh at JFR Motors in Costa Mesa, CA. All is good and I drop my car off the next day with the parts I purchased for the build. Here are the specifics on my exhaust system, keep in mind I have AR "off-road" DPs.
Mandrel Bent, Stainless Steel, Tig Welded
Vibrant 2.5" flanges
Custom 2-1 Merge Collector (made by Josh) IN: dual 2.5" OUT: single 3"
Vibrant 1142 3" IN/OUT "Ultra Quiet" Resonator
Vibrant 63004 4"L Flex Section
Custom 1-2 Y-pipe (made by Josh) with dual 3.5" x 12" Slash Cut Tips (Black)
RESULT
The end result surpassed my expectations, drone which used to plague me between 2,000-2,500rpm is gone, there is some resonance around 1,500rpm but this is only noticeable when putting around parking lots. In-cabin sound levels are very manageable and I would say lower than my old system. The exhaust is now more 2 faced meaning when driven conservatively it is rather tame and civil, but when given the beans really rips.
The WOT sound is great and IMO one of the best sounds produced by a twin turbo N54. Most other N54 exhausts I like are paired with single turbos, like my buddies FFTEC E90 (custom exhaust by Filthy Fabrications) and the 829whp E90 by Motiv (exhaust unknown but Youtube it). I can't stand rasp and I am happy to say that this system is also rasp free.
In addition to the increased flow (will dyno again soon) and lighter weight, there is a significant jump in turbo noise, mainly off throttle whistle, I love it! I think this is in part due to the large diameter piping and cleaner routing. The car sounds serious!
As my wrenching skills progress along with my wagon obsession, I become more hesitant to let others work on my car. But after seeing Josh's shop, hearing his thoughts, and seeing his work, I trust him 100% and happily recommend him to others. His shop is called JFR Motors and is located in Costa Mesa, CA. (Orange County)
MEDIA
Here is a short compilation of videos I have thus far, there will be more to come.
Cold Start
Freeway Cruising
Here are some pictures of both my old and new systems. Although not all but most photos will have a corresponding description.
If you are local and want to hear it, let me know!
Evan
My original muffler delete
The system after removing 2ndary cats and oem resonator: 3' of oem crushed 2.3" piping, Magnaflow resonated x-pipe, 2.5" crush bent piping. Vibrant 1792s, H-pipe muffler delete, dual 3.5" slash cut tips
Oem ***-back section
Vibrant 1792 (12") replaced with 1793s (18")
Old H-pipe muffler delete
Vibrant 1792s capped and welded in as helmholtz chambers, this did not work.
Parts for the custom system
At JFR Motors, build in progress
Josh doing work
Merge collector welded, flex section tack welded.
Blurry detail
Y-Pipe/Tips
Detail 1
Detail 2
Detail 3
Detail 4
Nice!
Detail 5
V-band detail
Complete 1
Complete 2
Complete 3 (sorry for the angle)
Rear section complete
BACKGROUND
For the past 2 years the exhaust on my wagon has gone through many different iterations. First was a simple muffler delete, a fun improvement over stock but it left me wanting more. Next the 2ndary cats were replaced with Vibrant 1792s which offered a slight bump in sound volume.
After a while I got bored and decided to have a local muffler shop do a "custom" system for me, the 3' of oem piping (crushed ~2.3") off the DPs was left in place and the rest of the system was comprised of a Magnaflow resonated x-pipe, 2 Vibrant 1792s, and a muffler delete with a small H-pipe before the tips, all piping after the Magnaflow was crush-bent 2.5". Although there was drone in the 2,000-2,500rpm range, this setup yielded a nice smooth sound, in contrast to the flappy, farty, or raspy sound of many N54 exhausts.
In attempts to kill the drone I replaced the Vibrant 1792s (12") with their longer 18" siblings. Drone persisted but the sound got slightly softer and quieter. I started to research helmholtz and branch resonators and as an experiment had the old 1792 bottle resonators capped and welded into the muffler section as helmholtz resonators, I figured it could only help, WRONG, drone was worse. Immediately I had the muffler shop cut out everything after the Magnaflow resonator so the system is now straight piped with only the Magnaflow resonator in the mix. Surprisingly the system wasn't terribly loud, louder than before, yes, but with the added volume you got more "real" mechanical sounds. I had enough, after hearing a custom single 3" exhaust on my friends E90 (had RBs, now has an FFTEC 6466) I was convinced that was the way to go.
BUILD
Initially I ordered a QTP valve and 2 resonators so the system would be Valve Open: 1 resonator, Valve Closed: 2 resonators. I liked the idea of having options but fitting all this after my rear-axle would be a challenge and after hearing the single resonator setup I was convinced it would be quite enough for me.
Flash forward to October 2015 and I am discussing my plan with Josh at JFR Motors in Costa Mesa, CA. All is good and I drop my car off the next day with the parts I purchased for the build. Here are the specifics on my exhaust system, keep in mind I have AR "off-road" DPs.
Mandrel Bent, Stainless Steel, Tig Welded
Vibrant 2.5" flanges
Custom 2-1 Merge Collector (made by Josh) IN: dual 2.5" OUT: single 3"
Vibrant 1142 3" IN/OUT "Ultra Quiet" Resonator
Vibrant 63004 4"L Flex Section
Custom 1-2 Y-pipe (made by Josh) with dual 3.5" x 12" Slash Cut Tips (Black)
RESULT
The end result surpassed my expectations, drone which used to plague me between 2,000-2,500rpm is gone, there is some resonance around 1,500rpm but this is only noticeable when putting around parking lots. In-cabin sound levels are very manageable and I would say lower than my old system. The exhaust is now more 2 faced meaning when driven conservatively it is rather tame and civil, but when given the beans really rips.
The WOT sound is great and IMO one of the best sounds produced by a twin turbo N54. Most other N54 exhausts I like are paired with single turbos, like my buddies FFTEC E90 (custom exhaust by Filthy Fabrications) and the 829whp E90 by Motiv (exhaust unknown but Youtube it). I can't stand rasp and I am happy to say that this system is also rasp free.
In addition to the increased flow (will dyno again soon) and lighter weight, there is a significant jump in turbo noise, mainly off throttle whistle, I love it! I think this is in part due to the large diameter piping and cleaner routing. The car sounds serious!
As my wrenching skills progress along with my wagon obsession, I become more hesitant to let others work on my car. But after seeing Josh's shop, hearing his thoughts, and seeing his work, I trust him 100% and happily recommend him to others. His shop is called JFR Motors and is located in Costa Mesa, CA. (Orange County)
MEDIA
Here is a short compilation of videos I have thus far, there will be more to come.
Cold Start
Freeway Cruising
Here are some pictures of both my old and new systems. Although not all but most photos will have a corresponding description.
If you are local and want to hear it, let me know!
Evan
My original muffler delete
The system after removing 2ndary cats and oem resonator: 3' of oem crushed 2.3" piping, Magnaflow resonated x-pipe, 2.5" crush bent piping. Vibrant 1792s, H-pipe muffler delete, dual 3.5" slash cut tips
Oem ***-back section
Vibrant 1792 (12") replaced with 1793s (18")
Old H-pipe muffler delete
Vibrant 1792s capped and welded in as helmholtz chambers, this did not work.
Parts for the custom system
At JFR Motors, build in progress
Josh doing work
Merge collector welded, flex section tack welded.
Blurry detail
Y-Pipe/Tips
Detail 1
Detail 2
Detail 3
Detail 4
Nice!
Detail 5
V-band detail
Complete 1
Complete 2
Complete 3 (sorry for the angle)
Rear section complete
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