E61 Body Rigidity
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see my comments below:
My other advice would be changing shocks and fitting stiffer anti-roll-bars (Eibach or H&R, I have H&R) but I don't know if you can do this on a "xi" model. You would be surprised how much the ARBs help against such shudders and vibrations of the body. I can explain my theory of this if you are interested, but this is definitely a surprising side effect that I did not expect before I fitted them.
I'm talking to Evan at nextgentuning which is the US distributor for the UR bars. I have linked this post to my email so he can see what we are all talking about. The more i drive the car and experience stuff like the steering wheel shuddering over bumps (like a 1970's american convertible) I am more and more shocked by how horrible the chassis flex is. Something HAS to be done... hopefully if we can find a
-front strut bar (if i can find one for the 535!... none yet.. let me know if you know of one please)maybe this will fit?: http://www.beastpower.com/forum/bmw-...available.html
-front UR bar. UR makes a set of 3 bars. you can fit the front and rear one with the M5 pull rods.. I would not leave the rear one out.
-M5 bars like on this post (still don't see how these fit OVER our diagonal bars though) You mean its not visible on the screenshot, or you don't understand how they will fit together? Because its obvious that they do fit together, as this is how the cars leave the factory
-rear UR bar (asking Evan about this also) ok I covered this above lol..
we can come close to fixing this problem... I'm tired of my windows rattling inside their seats when i go over minor potholes@
-front strut bar (if i can find one for the 535!... none yet.. let me know if you know of one please)maybe this will fit?: http://www.beastpower.com/forum/bmw-...available.html
-front UR bar. UR makes a set of 3 bars. you can fit the front and rear one with the M5 pull rods.. I would not leave the rear one out.
-M5 bars like on this post (still don't see how these fit OVER our diagonal bars though) You mean its not visible on the screenshot, or you don't understand how they will fit together? Because its obvious that they do fit together, as this is how the cars leave the factory
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-rear UR bar (asking Evan about this also) ok I covered this above lol..
we can come close to fixing this problem... I'm tired of my windows rattling inside their seats when i go over minor potholes@
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the E60 already has a front strut bar, that also attaches to the firewall in the center of the car. (#1 in the parts diagram at the top of the topic.) anything else up there is going to be for decorative purposes. Spend your money on reinforcing the underbody with the UR and M5 bars.
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the E60 already has a front strut bar, that also attaches to the firewall in the center of the car. (#1 in the parts diagram at the top of the topic.) anything else up there is going to be for decorative purposes. Spend your money on reinforcing the underbody with the UR and M5 bars.
If you haven't, I just don't see how you qualify to make any statements about this.
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The strut bar which I got for around $150 is easily the best bang for the buck mod-wise. Makes the front so much more solid. And no, it does not help cornering (on the E60/61), which is widely spread misconception (which is why people are sometimes disappointed) - it makes the front end chassis stiffer when stressed, which is the topic in this thread. Other people spend this kind of money on LED bulbs. To each his own I would say, but I know what is more important to me. Second-best bang for the buck were the H&R ARBs.
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mmitev,
thank you for your info. Sorry for missing some of those pics with the M5 stuff... I'm not very technical and i keep switching back and forth back and forth trying to figure out which ones are the M5 bars and which ones are the regular diagonal bars already installed on my car.
I checked on that AC Schnitzer strut bar... $2100!!!!!!!! are they nuts? everyone else has them for $100-200... as much as I see the value in it I don't believe I could ever bring myself to spend that kind of money for it. There has to be another solution for the 535 engine bay.
More to the point though, now that I know you (or anyone) has done this, i will proceed with installing the front and rear UR bars, and talking to a dealer about the m5 bars. tell us a little bit more about how these have changed your car's chassis flex... huge difference? does it feel like a solid car now? I'm glad others are seeing this issue... to me this is 10x more important than any bodykit/rims/anything... in fact, without structural solidity everything you add to the car (like rims for example or stiffer suspension) just make it worse.
thank you for your info. Sorry for missing some of those pics with the M5 stuff... I'm not very technical and i keep switching back and forth back and forth trying to figure out which ones are the M5 bars and which ones are the regular diagonal bars already installed on my car.
I checked on that AC Schnitzer strut bar... $2100!!!!!!!! are they nuts? everyone else has them for $100-200... as much as I see the value in it I don't believe I could ever bring myself to spend that kind of money for it. There has to be another solution for the 535 engine bay.
More to the point though, now that I know you (or anyone) has done this, i will proceed with installing the front and rear UR bars, and talking to a dealer about the m5 bars. tell us a little bit more about how these have changed your car's chassis flex... huge difference? does it feel like a solid car now? I'm glad others are seeing this issue... to me this is 10x more important than any bodykit/rims/anything... in fact, without structural solidity everything you add to the car (like rims for example or stiffer suspension) just make it worse.
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Yes, $2100 is nuts... In your shoes, I would look or or post a WTB add here or on M5board.com for a used M5 strut bar, I presume it fits the 535 but not sure. You can also ask other 535 owners in the E60 mods section what strut bar fits these cars. Finally, I think a custom bar can be made for something like $300 or so, not too bad - there are shops that do this kind of stuff.
I already replied to you on PM on what I have and don't on my car. I don't have UR or M5 bars yet.
Any other questions on my existing mods I am happy to answer, but most of the info is already in this thread anyways.
I already replied to you on PM on what I have and don't on my car. I don't have UR or M5 bars yet.
Any other questions on my existing mods I am happy to answer, but most of the info is already in this thread anyways.
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Realoem is showing a different part number for the E61M5: 51618042815 and 51618042816 (doesn't list price but adds "+core" under notes).
It seems they are specific to the E61M5. Now I am really confused... Not sure the bars Ricky has (51618040051 and 52) will fit the E61...
It seems they are specific to the E61M5. Now I am really confused... Not sure the bars Ricky has (51618040051 and 52) will fit the E61...
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Realoem is showing a different part number for the E61M5: 51618042815 and 51618042816 (doesn't list price but adds "+core" under notes).
It seems they are specific to the E61M5. Now I am really confused... Not sure the bars Ricky has (51618040051 and 52) will fit the E61...
It seems they are specific to the E61M5. Now I am really confused... Not sure the bars Ricky has (51618040051 and 52) will fit the E61...
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EDIT: I also just found out that the middle black "Connecting Support" plate in Ricky's pics is also specific to the E61 M5. Athough from all RealOEM diagrams it seems to me that the difference is that on the E61 M5 it supports the exhaust through an additional bracket. The mounting points and screw holes do not seem to be different at first sight. The plate found on normal E61's also fits Sedans, and importantly also the E60 M5.
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S**t, I think you're right
That will explain my confusion with the prices - I think the E61 ones are twice as expensive as the saloon ones. Let the drama continue then...
EDIT: I also just found out that the middle black "Connecting Support" plate in Ricky's pics is also specific to the E61 M5. Athough from all RealOEM diagrams it seems to me that the difference is that on the E61 M5 it supports the exhaust through an additional bracket. The mounting points and screw holes do not seem to be different at first sight. The plate found on normal E61's also fits Sedans, and importantly also the E60 M5.
![Doh](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/doh.gif)
EDIT: I also just found out that the middle black "Connecting Support" plate in Ricky's pics is also specific to the E61 M5. Athough from all RealOEM diagrams it seems to me that the difference is that on the E61 M5 it supports the exhaust through an additional bracket. The mounting points and screw holes do not seem to be different at first sight. The plate found on normal E61's also fits Sedans, and importantly also the E60 M5.
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And thanks for the pics, but they confuse me a bit - on the middle one it looks like the V-shaped brace #7 and the pull-rod #14 are one thing? I dont see a joint between them at the suspention subframe mounting point?
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Do you mean you made (drilled) new holes in your existing black plate?
And thanks for the pics, but they confuse me a bit - on the middle one it looks like the V-shaped brace #7 and the pull-rod #14 are one thing? I dont see a joint between them at the suspention subframe mounting point?
And thanks for the pics, but they confuse me a bit - on the middle one it looks like the V-shaped brace #7 and the pull-rod #14 are one thing? I dont see a joint between them at the suspention subframe mounting point?
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