bulgarian test of SL55 AMG Vs M6
11-06-2006, 04:44 AM
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U did not mention the cls... Of course reviewers are biased, but the reviews on evo and autoocar stated that the cls55amg was the better overall package. It has a quicker and more sensitive steering rack than any other amg salool,but surely you are tired of Hearing this.
as for the street spec gtr, it appears that you are quite new to bmw cars and still do not know muvh about most models. They produced 248 examples which were sold worldWide. In 2003 you could have ordered one. As a matter of fact Soder (google it) has one for sale right now..
as for the street spec gtr, it appears that you are quite new to bmw cars and still do not know muvh about most models. They produced 248 examples which were sold worldWide. In 2003 you could have ordered one. As a matter of fact Soder (google it) has one for sale right now..
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='352881' date='Nov 6 2006, 08:44 AM
U did not mention the cls... Of course reviewers are biased, but the reviews on evo and autoocar stated that the cls55amg was the better overall package. It has a quicker and more sensitive steering rack than any other amg salool,but surely you are tired of Hearing this.
as for the street spec gtr, it appears that you are quite new to bmw cars and still do not know muvh about most models. They produced 248 examples which were sold worldWide. In 2003 you could have ordered one. As a matter of fact Soder (google it) has one for sale right now..
as for the street spec gtr, it appears that you are quite new to bmw cars and still do not know muvh about most models. They produced 248 examples which were sold worldWide. In 2003 you could have ordered one. As a matter of fact Soder (google it) has one for sale right now..
Why would i be tired of hearing about AMG?? I like AMG, however it's you who for some benine reason likes to dangle AMG under the noses of M5 owners as bait & yet you're the only person who seems to get anything from the drivel you often post.
I may be new to BMW but that does not make me blind to the BMW marque. I've owned many many performance cars & been a petrolhead since i was a wee lad. The GTR you for some reason threw into the debate (god only knows why) is not & was never a main stream BMW model & was very very limited.
The CLS55 was a car i had on order for a couple of months, until i drove one back to back with an M5 (guess what i bought). Although as you say, it probably does have a "quicker & more sensitive steering rack than any other AMG saloon". That does not make it any better or worse than an M5 though, does it??
I'm delighted for AMG owners, as they've bought a fabulous car & a range who's models i like in the main & have driven most, however your original point was that some journo reckoned the SL55 was a more involving drive than the M5 (or so you stated) & i replied having driven the SL55 many times & owning an M5, that anyone who actually believes this (basically you), wants their driving ability/skill examined, as that's the one area the SL55 falls down to the M5. Perhaps for a novice driver the SL55 is safer & softer, but for a driver who likes a really involved package, the SL55 don't cut it. Everything else about the car is amazing.
11-06-2006, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='352885' date='Nov 6 2006, 02:01 PM
You'll just keep going & going with altering responses to suit your position.
Why would i be tired of hearing about AMG?? I like AMG, however it's you who for some benine reason likes to dangle AMG under the noses of M5 owners as bait & yet you're the only person who seems to get anything from the drivel you often post.
I may be new to BMW but that does not make me blind to the BMW marque. I've owned many many performance cars & been a petrolhead since i was a wee lad. The GTR you for some reason threw into the debate (god only knows why) is not & was never a main stream BMW model & was very very limited.
The CLS55 was a car i had on order for a couple of months, until i drove one back to back with an M5 (guess what i bought). Although as you say, it probably does have a "quicker & more sensitive steering rack than any other AMG saloon". That does not make it any better or worse than an M5 though, does it??
I'm delighted for AMG owners, as they've bought a fabulous car & a range who's models i like in the main & have driven most, however your original point was that some journo reckoned the SL55 was a more involving drive than the M5 (or so you stated) & i replied having driven the SL55 many times & owning an M5, that anyone who actually believes this (basically you), wants their driving ability/skill examined, as that's the one area the SL55 falls down to the M5. Perhaps for a novice driver the SL55 is safer & softer, but for a driver who likes a really involved package, the SL55 don't cut it. Everything else about the car is amazing.
Why would i be tired of hearing about AMG?? I like AMG, however it's you who for some benine reason likes to dangle AMG under the noses of M5 owners as bait & yet you're the only person who seems to get anything from the drivel you often post.
I may be new to BMW but that does not make me blind to the BMW marque. I've owned many many performance cars & been a petrolhead since i was a wee lad. The GTR you for some reason threw into the debate (god only knows why) is not & was never a main stream BMW model & was very very limited.
The CLS55 was a car i had on order for a couple of months, until i drove one back to back with an M5 (guess what i bought). Although as you say, it probably does have a "quicker & more sensitive steering rack than any other AMG saloon". That does not make it any better or worse than an M5 though, does it??
I'm delighted for AMG owners, as they've bought a fabulous car & a range who's models i like in the main & have driven most, however your original point was that some journo reckoned the SL55 was a more involving drive than the M5 (or so you stated) & i replied having driven the SL55 many times & owning an M5, that anyone who actually believes this (basically you), wants their driving ability/skill examined, as that's the one area the SL55 falls down to the M5. Perhaps for a novice driver the SL55 is safer & softer, but for a driver who likes a really involved package, the SL55 don't cut it. Everything else about the car is amazing.
And do you wonder why M5/M6 owners consistenly want to race from a roll? has it come to your attention that the LC is only available once every 15minutes or so , and that if you overdo it you will probably be sent packing to your nearest dealer. AMG autoboxes can consistently produce remarkable standing starts and this was noted in the video. THe presented stated that the LC was a completelly useless gadget, because it allowed you to keep up with the SL55 Amg at 1 set of traffic lights, to be later blown away at the next 15 traffic lights. Surely producing something that is capable of 1 start and then needing 15 minutes for another go (i had tried to do 2 successive LC on my m3 smg, which as you may know had a far more reliable gearbox, and yet received a SMG failure warning) is quite far away from F1 technologies, which bmw seems to advertise so much?
I referred to the GTR in my original posts, to state that the CLK DTM was quicker. Goodness knows why you stated that this was BS, when you didnt even know of the existance of the car? And how come you know of the CLK DTM, when it was an even more limited production run of 100 units ?
And no, this fanatacism is quite unfounded. As a matter of fact, lets throw another varialbe into the equation. The quattroporte, which produces faster laps than an m5, and 99% of all reports have said that its handling is far more delicate, and better weighted than an m5's. Why didnt you buy that ? On top of everything else it is a saloon, so would fit into your "practicallity" conditions.
Thats pretty much it, i really do believe that when it comes to vanilla models (take 5-series, 6 series, 3 series etc) BMW makes BETTER machines. When it comes to AMG and ///M, i believe that AMGs just steal the crown. The only car that has no real competition from MB, is the m3. If AMG models werent an average of 20% more expensive than ///M cars, then the answer would have been clear for me.
And perhaps i should get my driving skills re-examined to know better..
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My last post on this, as it's becoming obvious you have no arguement & just intend to troll M5 owners.
The CLS55 IS a great package (whatever that means). More refined? perhaps although personally i don't agree but it could be true & 90% as involving as the M5 again that could be about right, but given i LOVE involvement when throwing my car around, it makes the M5 in my mind & that's nothing to do with owning one, the better car. Note again that i cancelled my CLS55 order after driving both that & the M5 back to back as the M5 ticked all the boxes & put a far bigger smile on my face than the CLS55 & that's how i've found most AMG models i've driven. They're rapid cruisers but lack the level or Sports Car like ability the M5 does.
Do M5 owners always want to race from a roll?? My car kills cars from rolling starts as that's where the power is. Launch Control is for show & nothing else as it's virtually impossible to get it so perfect that you can launch without lighting the rear wheels up for the best part of the 1st 1/2mile (it's 8mins by the way on UK cars not 15mins).
Pleeease, BLOWN away by an SL55 from the lights (that's funny). Have you been smoking something?? L/C is not suitable for traffic light GP's, just a sensible launch will do the job. Also love the fact you reckon the M3 SMG is more reliable (laughing very loudly).
Do you troll M3 forums?? It's widely known by people that know, that the SMGIII gearbox is 20% stronger & quicker than SMGII & 40% stronger & quicker than SMGI. The SMG boxes in M3's have been as bad if not worse than those in M5's. That said, the early SMGIII boxes have not coped well with the power, however BMW are meant to now be addressing this (i hope).
Drop the M3 GTR / CLK DTM debate, as they're obviously both specialist cars & well out of normal car realms. The reason i know of the CLK DTM is that i've seen a couple & actually been round The Ring in one as a passenger & they are awesome, but bottom line is they're a road legal race car. The M3 GTR is just a pepped up M3 with more power & flared arches & so far removed from the proper M3 GTR which is why i guess i'd only heard of the proper GTR. The CLK DTM is like the GTR, a specilised build & far removed from the platform on which it's based.
Lastly (i think) the Quattroporte, i can't/won't argue it's a more balanced car & given the pedigree of it's maker it's hardly a huge shock. The QP is a Sports car with a practical body. The M5 is a Practical car with some Sports car underpinnings so both come from totally different backgrounds. The reason i did not entertain even looking at one is simple RELIABILITY. I need my car to behave in a sensible fashion as it's my day to day driver. With the exception of the SMG problem it has served me well (so far).
So lets put this debate to bed & agree to disagree, as it's obvious to me that the only point is down to personal choice. You prefer the AMG marque & although i like the AMG marque, for my money in this class (4dr saloon) the M5 is the best available in the price bracket. Other cars are better than the M5 & as already stated i may move to an SL65 in the New Year.
Point still stands that willy waving is not seen as a pleasant action on Boards, so although the AMG/Merc folk would love you're opinion & articles, why would M5 owners care about it or want you to inform us of one publications opinions that you happen to agree with???
The CLS55 IS a great package (whatever that means). More refined? perhaps although personally i don't agree but it could be true & 90% as involving as the M5 again that could be about right, but given i LOVE involvement when throwing my car around, it makes the M5 in my mind & that's nothing to do with owning one, the better car. Note again that i cancelled my CLS55 order after driving both that & the M5 back to back as the M5 ticked all the boxes & put a far bigger smile on my face than the CLS55 & that's how i've found most AMG models i've driven. They're rapid cruisers but lack the level or Sports Car like ability the M5 does.
Do M5 owners always want to race from a roll?? My car kills cars from rolling starts as that's where the power is. Launch Control is for show & nothing else as it's virtually impossible to get it so perfect that you can launch without lighting the rear wheels up for the best part of the 1st 1/2mile (it's 8mins by the way on UK cars not 15mins).
Pleeease, BLOWN away by an SL55 from the lights (that's funny). Have you been smoking something?? L/C is not suitable for traffic light GP's, just a sensible launch will do the job. Also love the fact you reckon the M3 SMG is more reliable (laughing very loudly).
Do you troll M3 forums?? It's widely known by people that know, that the SMGIII gearbox is 20% stronger & quicker than SMGII & 40% stronger & quicker than SMGI. The SMG boxes in M3's have been as bad if not worse than those in M5's. That said, the early SMGIII boxes have not coped well with the power, however BMW are meant to now be addressing this (i hope).
Drop the M3 GTR / CLK DTM debate, as they're obviously both specialist cars & well out of normal car realms. The reason i know of the CLK DTM is that i've seen a couple & actually been round The Ring in one as a passenger & they are awesome, but bottom line is they're a road legal race car. The M3 GTR is just a pepped up M3 with more power & flared arches & so far removed from the proper M3 GTR which is why i guess i'd only heard of the proper GTR. The CLK DTM is like the GTR, a specilised build & far removed from the platform on which it's based.
Lastly (i think) the Quattroporte, i can't/won't argue it's a more balanced car & given the pedigree of it's maker it's hardly a huge shock. The QP is a Sports car with a practical body. The M5 is a Practical car with some Sports car underpinnings so both come from totally different backgrounds. The reason i did not entertain even looking at one is simple RELIABILITY. I need my car to behave in a sensible fashion as it's my day to day driver. With the exception of the SMG problem it has served me well (so far).
So lets put this debate to bed & agree to disagree, as it's obvious to me that the only point is down to personal choice. You prefer the AMG marque & although i like the AMG marque, for my money in this class (4dr saloon) the M5 is the best available in the price bracket. Other cars are better than the M5 & as already stated i may move to an SL65 in the New Year.
Point still stands that willy waving is not seen as a pleasant action on Boards, so although the AMG/Merc folk would love you're opinion & articles, why would M5 owners care about it or want you to inform us of one publications opinions that you happen to agree with???
11-06-2006, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='352923' date='Nov 6 2006, 04:59 PM
Pleeease, BLOWN away by an SL55 from the lights (that's funny). Have you been smoking something?? L/C is not suitable for traffic light GP's, just a sensible launch will do the job. Also love the fact you reckon the M3 SMG is more reliable (laughing very loudly).
Do you troll M3 forums?? It's widely known by people that know, that the SMGIII gearbox is 20% stronger & quicker than SMGII & 40% stronger & quicker than SMGI. The SMG boxes in M3's have been as bad if not worse than those in M5's. That said, the early SMGIII boxes have not coped well with the power, however BMW are meant to now be addressing this (i hope).
Do you troll M3 forums?? It's widely known by people that know, that the SMGIII gearbox is 20% stronger & quicker than SMGII & 40% stronger & quicker than SMGI. The SMG boxes in M3's have been as bad if not worse than those in M5's. That said, the early SMGIII boxes have not coped well with the power, however BMW are meant to now be addressing this (i hope).
... It may have been through sheer luck, but i have done more than 200LCs during my 27month ownership of the car in my sig, and its 13000km. Never had a fault with it, aside when trying to do 2 consecutive launches at 2 traffic lights. Maybe you should come to bulgaria, i am sure you would be surprised at what people do from traffic lights.
Also you *should* know that you can adjust the revs at which you do the LC, using the cruise control stalk. That way you can moderate the revs to get a good start.
I could get you a video of an m6 racing and losing against the new sl55 (513bhp ). I wonder what you would say... bad driver? bad road conditions? faked results?...
Lastly, i think that i have posted valid points. If you want to call this trolling, its up to you.
Had an E60 M5 for 3 months. Sold it and got a 2006 E55. Got K1 installed. So much quicker its not even comparable. Maybe M5 is great after 130, but I don't care about that. My main interest is 0 to 80 or in-gear acceleration up to 100. Anything else is reserved for the track.
11-07-2006, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='352965' date='Nov 6 2006, 03:27 PM
Ok, lets bury this
... It may have been through sheer luck, but i have done more than 200LCs during my 27month ownership of the car in my sig, and its 13000km. Never had a fault with it, aside when trying to do 2 consecutive launches at 2 traffic lights. Maybe you should come to bulgaria, i am sure you would be surprised at what people do from traffic lights.
Also you *should* know that you can adjust the revs at which you do the LC, using the cruise control stalk. That way you can moderate the revs to get a good start.
I could get you a video of an m6 racing and losing against the new sl55 (513bhp ). I wonder what you would say... bad driver? bad road conditions? faked results?...
Lastly, i think that i have posted valid points. If you want to call this trolling, its up to you.
... It may have been through sheer luck, but i have done more than 200LCs during my 27month ownership of the car in my sig, and its 13000km. Never had a fault with it, aside when trying to do 2 consecutive launches at 2 traffic lights. Maybe you should come to bulgaria, i am sure you would be surprised at what people do from traffic lights.
Also you *should* know that you can adjust the revs at which you do the LC, using the cruise control stalk. That way you can moderate the revs to get a good start.
I could get you a video of an m6 racing and losing against the new sl55 (513bhp ). I wonder what you would say... bad driver? bad road conditions? faked results?...
Lastly, i think that i have posted valid points. If you want to call this trolling, its up to you.
I'm sure you can find some SL vs M5/6 vids showing the SL win & i'm sure you'll find as many if not more showing the win go the other way. I've seen clips of the M5 trouncing a Gallardo on 2 out of 3 runs, however the 3rd run went the Gallardos way, so i think you'll find that one win does not mean the war is won.
A pal of mine took a CL65 (12mths old) out for a run today & his exact comments were "not a patch on your M5 Paul". Stupid quick in a straight line but anything other than that the car was sloppy & couch like. Perhaps unlike you, i like my cars to drive well overall, not just traffic light GP's. If you're only able to race in a straight line & that's your thing then perhaps the AMG line is perfect for you as anything else would be perhaps wasted on you.
As a result, i'm now NOT entertaining the option of an SL65 & will perhaps just take a 997 Turbo earlier than i initially intended.
AMG cars are very very good & defo a match for the equivalent M car, however they're defo not better, perhaps just sometimes quicker to 100.
11-07-2006, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='353349' date='Nov 7 2006, 07:27 PM
As a result, i'm now NOT entertaining the option of an SL65 & will perhaps just take a 997 Turbo earlier than i initially intended.
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='353371' date='Nov 8 2006, 12:38 AM
may i suggest you opt for a Clubsport 997 GT3, as this should provide even bigger thrills... manual and no AWD on top of that
And if you're doing the stuff right all the way...
11-07-2006, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='353447' date='Nov 7 2006, 10:04 PM
And if you're doing the stuff right all the way...
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Originally Posted by 700700' post='353460' date='Nov 7 2006, 11:18 PM
omg...more pics or iceman will BAN YOU
But, hey... What about a ban for you '700700', for posting too many MB pics... Waaaaay too many...
