Eibach vs H&R
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Originally Posted by MikeBuzzsaw' post='434407' date='Jun 11 2007, 04:26 PM
If you have sport suspension, you will not be able to install sway bars.
What about the M sport suspension that would prevent the installation of after market sway bars?
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Originally Posted by MikeBuzzsaw' post='434225' date='Jun 10 2007, 08:59 PM
HR are manufactured in Germany, while Eibach is a USA brand. I think made in Riverside/Irvine. Most people run HR on German cars, while Eibach is big on Japanese cars. Also, my friends who do drive Japanese cars and have eibach springs complain that they sag after a year. That's one of my main reason I went for HR.
Eibach is not only big on Japanese cars, it's big on all cars. They might not market the USA as clever as H&R, but they are huge on all cars in Europe and other parts of the world. H&R is hardly existent in the UK, as it's not been a targetted market so far. Eibach is huge for BMW's over here.
I prefer H&R myself, plainly due to the less conservative drop the Eibachs have, but the handling of the Eibachs I run at the moment is excellent.
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Of course you can install H&R ARB's on sport suspension. The standard model has swaybars, the sport model has swaybars and the M5 has swaybars. The only difference being they get gradually thicker from standard to sport to M5. But even the M5 ones are still hollow, while the H&R ones are full material and even thicker. The original M-sport swaybars or M5 swaybars will also fit your standard car.
Harder and thicker will always have the advantage of reducing the roll while nailing the car around, but they will also reduce the margin where the car feeds back to you, that it might be on the way of loosing lateral grip.
Harder and thicker will always have the advantage of reducing the roll while nailing the car around, but they will also reduce the margin where the car feeds back to you, that it might be on the way of loosing lateral grip.
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Originally Posted by olli_535d' post='434432' date='Jun 11 2007, 06:42 PM
but they will also reduce the margin where the car feeds back to you, that it might be on the way of loosing lateral grip.
Could you please elaborate on your post that i've quoted above? Are you stating that with thicker and solid sway bars the ability to 'feel' your tail end is coming loose will be diminished? i would have thought it'll be more pronounced as it won't be confused with body roll..
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Originally Posted by Leburpor' post='434442' date='Jun 11 2007, 10:10 AM
Thanks for the great input!
Could you please elaborate on your post that i've quoted above? Are you stating that with thicker and solid sway bars the ability to 'feel' your tail end is coming loose will be diminished? i would have thought it'll be more pronounced as it won't be confused with body roll..![Think](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/think.gif)
Could you please elaborate on your post that i've quoted above? Are you stating that with thicker and solid sway bars the ability to 'feel' your tail end is coming loose will be diminished? i would have thought it'll be more pronounced as it won't be confused with body roll..
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The H&R bars are also adjustable, twice for the front and 3 times for the rear, so you can also pretty much decide how tail happy you want your car to be.
They definitely make for much better handling without influencing the ride comfort negatively.
I am gonna have some, too, but need to refill the "mod kitty" first, as I also want an LSD and I have the M-sport suspension with the Eibach springs so can live with it very well for the time being.
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Originally Posted by olli_535d' post='434432' date='Jun 11 2007, 01:12 AM
Of course you can install H&R ARB's on sport suspension. The standard model has swaybars, the sport model has swaybars and the M5 has swaybars. The only difference being they get gradually thicker from standard to sport to M5. But even the M5 ones are still hollow, while the H&R ones are full material and even thicker. The original M-sport swaybars or M5 swaybars will also fit your standard car.
Harder and thicker will always have the advantage of reducing the roll while nailing the car around, but they will also reduce the margin where the car feeds back to you, that it might be on the way of loosing lateral grip.
Harder and thicker will always have the advantage of reducing the roll while nailing the car around, but they will also reduce the margin where the car feeds back to you, that it might be on the way of loosing lateral grip.
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Originally Posted by olli_535d' post='434483' date='Jun 11 2007, 05:01 AM
Nevertheless there is a physical end of lateral grip and the stiffer bars allow you to get closer to that comfortably. So the zone between starting to feel "something" and getting the back out gets smaller. That's all I meant.
The H&R bars are also adjustable, twice for the front and 3 times for the rear, so you can also pretty much decide how tail happy you want your car to be.
The H&R bars are also adjustable, twice for the front and 3 times for the rear, so you can also pretty much decide how tail happy you want your car to be.