Atleast I agree with you here. Can you explain how this product works then? I have sat here when we did our M5 tunes and this intake loses power each time. Hook up any BMW datalogging program and you can see the ignition timing get pulled back with that intake. Is the only way to make power with is after a 20 minute cool down and only 3 runs?

 

THE HOOD WAS CLOSED, THATS A FACT, I WANTED TO DO A PULL WITH IT OPEN JUST TO SEE IF IT MADE A DIFFERENCE, BUT ALAN AND JACK VETOD MY IDEA AND WE ONLY DID IT WITH THE HOOD CLOSED


sory for caps, work software is caps only and i forget sometime

 

i have only seen one other dyno sheet for this intake, and it is the one that showed a 25 hp loss, and thats just rediculous.

but i'll tell you what, you chip in the $100 for the dyno time, and i will put the car back on the same dyno hot, and make 10 pulls in 15 minutes, and i guarantee the last pull still makes more power than the stock intake did across the board. the under hood temps arent going to get that much hotter after run 10 than run 3. hot is hot.

jack did me a favor and donated his time and dyno because likw me he wanted nothing more than to find the truth, but iam not going to ask him to do that again because of some skeptics.

i will make this promise, anyone want to duplicate the test, there are more than enough m5's in south florida. buy the intake, i can get it for you at wholesale, we will do the same test on the same dyno, in front of your eyes, if you do not make more power than stock, i will refund your money

 

Wow, you are quite possibly one of the most classy and unbiased vendors of a competing product I've ever seen. I don't care what you have to say about the AFE, but I certainly do take some umbrage with what you are very OBVIOUSLY trying to suggest about my person.

Listen guys, this isn't my first rodeo here. I've owned 440+ rwhp blown Saleen's and my current side project twin 60MM turbo Cobra. My M5 is y driver that I use for the occasional track day, so it's far from babied.

Does anyone here ever go to the racetrack, line the car up, make a pass, and then get back in line to make another pass within 30 seconds, over and over and over again?

Absolutely not, because it's physically not possible. Aside from what beating on and heating up the car like that does to the oil , you're talking about skewing the results by hot lapping on a dyno and I'm talking about real world application here but I'm the one who is biased?

Seriously, what do I have to gain here?

 

I'm more than happy to bring the car back up for further testing if someone wants to donate toward the dyno time. In fact, I'm pretty sure we could convince jack to let some local members come watch to verify.

If someone else has a car they want to use, we can probably work that out, too. (Mine's an 06 with 26000 on the clock.)

Come on fellas. It's put up or shut up time.

 

pin drop

 

I guess i'm an exception to this because I dragged my E60 M5 36 times in one day hence 20 runs where back to back and my times were consistent 12.0 to 12.2 @ 119-121mph through every single run hence my 60-times where crap 2.0 plus but wasn't bad for my first time at the track. This is all with a Stock BMW Air box!!!

Can AFE stand up to this Test?? hmmmmmm

 

There is physically no way you can make a pass, come down the return lane, get back in line, stage, and make another run back, to back, to back with 30 seconds between runs.

It takes longer than 30 seconds just to make it down the return lane and get your time slip.

Your example speaks more to my point than to anyone else's, sir.

It also sounds like you have a pretty strong car, given most people are running 12.50's stock. (Unless your car is modded.)

 

hot is hot is hot, the temps onrun 3 back to back arent gonna be that different from run 8 or 9, that big stupid baldder on them motors is gonna heat soak anythign anyway, i think the improvement comes in the restricion of the flow, the ait temps i doubt are that different with any of these setups.


the guy who "lost 25 hp" id like to see an underhood shot of the car with it on it

 

you also have to rememebr in your 20 run example, you are driving at least 3/4 of a mile between runs, getting significantly more airflow accross the engine and radiator than you get on a dyno, thats a whole different story. unless you are the only car at the track its gonna be minimum 5 min between runs