WHy is the 335i so much more loaded than the 535
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11-12-2007, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by redwhiteblue' post='493133' date='Nov 12 2007, 01:26 AM
I have to completely disagree with this I am sorry. The 3 series is bmws current entry level car within the USA. The 335 is the top entry level car but is still a class down from the 5er. The 335 came in a sedan before it came in any coupe. People also buy the sedan more than the coupe so there is no good reason to buy a 4 door 335 if you could afford a 535. If your point is needing to transport 4 passengers then there is no way someone would buy a 335 sedan over a 535 sedan or very few.
The 6 series is bmws sport coupe as well that is faster than the 335 and probably one of the faster in its class. The 3 series is both the entry level sedan compared to the 5 and the entry level coupe compared to the 6.
It is not a coocidence that most 3 series people are younger lower income people. When people can afford it they buy a 6 if tehy want a coupe or 5 if they want a sedan-(not counting 7s here)-
I do see people choosing a 335 over a 528 if similar priced due to the engine power-but nobody would choose a 335 sedan over a 535 sedan if they had the dough-or a very small percentage.
Same goes with the X3-its the entry level SUV. A very small percentage prefers an X3 if they could instead have an x5. Every car market has its entry level sedan and is considered the lower class despite how bmw sales reps want to spin it
The 6 series is bmws sport coupe as well that is faster than the 335 and probably one of the faster in its class. The 3 series is both the entry level sedan compared to the 5 and the entry level coupe compared to the 6.
It is not a coocidence that most 3 series people are younger lower income people. When people can afford it they buy a 6 if tehy want a coupe or 5 if they want a sedan-(not counting 7s here)-
I do see people choosing a 335 over a 528 if similar priced due to the engine power-but nobody would choose a 335 sedan over a 535 sedan if they had the dough-or a very small percentage.
Same goes with the X3-its the entry level SUV. A very small percentage prefers an X3 if they could instead have an x5. Every car market has its entry level sedan and is considered the lower class despite how bmw sales reps want to spin it
The word "class" has two meanings. From a marketing standpoint, its a politically correct way of grouping cars into more specific categories (size, price point, etc.) But from a consumer standpoint, it represents affordability and in many ways - status. Drive around in a 3 series and you don't get noticed much because there are lots of them. Drive around in a 5, 6, 7, or M series and you WILL get a lot of attention...unless you live in an affluent area where expensive cars are the norm.
There is no argument here, just two valid points of view.
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Originally Posted by ipp' post='493151' date='Nov 12 2007, 03:26 AM
Totally wrong. I know many people able to afford 5ers and even 7ers who chose the 3er because the compact format was better to them. It hasn't to do with entry level in this case. IMHO 335i is as 'premium' as +/-525i.
If you look at the top ten selling cars here, ALL of them are bigger than the 3 series and some of them are just as expensive.
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Originally Posted by ipp' post='493151' date='Nov 12 2007, 03:26 AM
Totally wrong. I know many people able to afford 5ers and even 7ers who chose the 3er because the compact format was better to them. It hasn't to do with entry level in this case. IMHO 335i is as 'premium' as +/-525i.
+1 I agree
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Originally Posted by ojwerks' post='493139' date='Nov 12 2007, 02:01 AM
the 335 is top of the line of the 3 series (excluding the M3) while the 535 is not...
wow how could I have missed this... basically the same thing I said perfectly explained in 1 line. this is your answer along with a couple other marketing rules.
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Ok honesty guys other than a very few exceptions who would take a 335 over a 650? give me a break people. You are just not being realistic assuming price doesnt matter. There would be WAY more 650s floating around if the 335 was equally classed to the 6 series. It is just such unrealistic thinking
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Originally Posted by redwhiteblue' post='493429' date='Nov 12 2007, 04:45 PM
Ok honesty guys other than a very few exceptions who would take a 335 over a 650? give me a break people. You are just not being realistic assuming price doesnt matter. There would be WAY more 650s floating around if the 335 was equally classed to the 6 series. It is just such unrealistic thinking
But when the 1-series hits the US showrooms, the 3-series will no longer be the entry level bimmer.
135i is going to come with more standard equipment than a 335i.
Brembo brakes (six-piston)
M-tuned suspension
M-tech body kit
M-wheels
etc...
But yes most of it is marketing.
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Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC' post='493437' date='Nov 12 2007, 07:59 PM
Assuming price doesn't matter, obviously the 650.
But when the 1-series hits the US showrooms, the 3-series will no longer be the entry level bimmer.
135i is going to come with more standard equipment than a 335i.
Brembo brakes (six-piston)
M-tuned suspension
M-tech body kit
M-wheels
etc...
But yes most of it is marketing.
But when the 1-series hits the US showrooms, the 3-series will no longer be the entry level bimmer.
135i is going to come with more standard equipment than a 335i.
Brembo brakes (six-piston)
M-tuned suspension
M-tech body kit
M-wheels
etc...
But yes most of it is marketing.
But you said it right there-people would take a 650 over a 335 coupe 9/10 times so how can anyone say the 3 is equal to the 6 or 5 for that matter-it simply is not, its the current entry level car-and soon the 1 series will be the entry level.
I wonder what the 1 series will do to pricing or demand of the 3 series. I wonder if better deals are to be had on the 3 once the 1 is out
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Originally Posted by redwhiteblue' post='493429' date='Nov 12 2007, 06:45 PM
Ok honesty guys other than a very few exceptions who would take a 335 over a 650? give me a break people. You are just not being realistic assuming price doesnt matter. There would be WAY more 650s floating around if the 335 was equally classed to the 6 series. It is just such unrealistic thinking
Read this thread and you'll see a perfect example where price didn't matter.
not too just dissagree with you... but i would honestly pic the 335i over the 650i
my reasons being im a fan of turbo engines (trbo- the da6 in my name refers to my 92 integra with 423whp). the 335 would give me a fast turbo car with alot of luxuries also. simple mods like a chip, DP ect to the 335 could even beat the new m3 coming out. the 335i suspension i would think is more tighter and stiffer than the 650. modding the 650i dosent seem such ideal since no turbo engines out yet. but thats why I would pick the 3 over the 6.. as im sure many would also but may have different reasons it all depends on what your looking for...
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Originally Posted by redwhiteblue' post='493464' date='Nov 12 2007, 08:04 PM
Right that is only in the U.S though that the 1 series will have the m-tech kit standard. Other countires it will be an option like on every other car.
But you said it right there-people would take a 650 over a 335 coupe 9/10 times so how can anyone say the 3 is equal to the 6 or 5 for that matter-it simply is not, its the current entry level car-and soon the 1 series will be the entry level.
I wonder what the 1 series will do to pricing or demand of the 3 series. I wonder if better deals are to be had on the 3 once the 1 is out
But you said it right there-people would take a 650 over a 335 coupe 9/10 times so how can anyone say the 3 is equal to the 6 or 5 for that matter-it simply is not, its the current entry level car-and soon the 1 series will be the entry level.
I wonder what the 1 series will do to pricing or demand of the 3 series. I wonder if better deals are to be had on the 3 once the 1 is out
Firstly is it manufactured in South Africa to reduce costs whereas the 5 is manufactured in Germany. Secondly despite it?s size the 5 series weighs essentially the same as the equivalent engined 3 due to the use of higher cost materials in the manufacturing process i.e. aluminium/magnesium in the frame and body. The 5 also has some under the skin electronics not on the 3 i.e. active steering etc
The 335i is the top of the line 3 and thus has some extra fluff features like Logic 7 as standard (which are not expensive in the overall build price) to further differentiate it from cheaper spec 3?s.
The 535i?s naturally costs more given its higher build cost, but still needs to be differentiated from the higher spec v8?s 5?s thus a few fluff features are not standard - but it has some that the 3 does not too.